United States Heading towards a Depression?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by decoyjames, Dec 27, 2007.

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  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #2041
    Mia doesn't have a God complex. Hoover did.

    I'm telling ya, Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" is a fantastic read. He wrote economic history so well, it was almost like reading a novel.
     
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  2. korr

    korr Peon

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    #2042
    Well he probably meant that paying for the bailouts isn't limited to the US taxpayer. Everyone holding dollars or dollar-denominated assets gets to pitch in a little bit, whether you're in China or Tennessee..
     
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    It's happened two times before during the depression and 1980. The Dow is down 19.9 percent from its record-high close of 14,164.53 in October.

    Analysts and investors are reversing their predictions that the worst of the credit market contraction is over after almost $400 billion of writedowns and losses by the world's largest financial institutions.

    CNBC on-air editor Charles Gasparino reported today that Merrill's writedowns may total $5 billion, citing unidentified people in the firm.

    Goldman's Tanona estimates an $8.9 billion writedown in the quarter for New York-based Citigroup, the biggest U.S. bank

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aru0bRrJSzvY&refer=home
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #2045
    The Dow is officially with the Bears, wonder how much more will it drop. My guess is that it would get worse before it gets any better. Dow seemed posed to go Down even more as the banks tighten the limits for credit cards.
     
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    #2046
    Yay for freefalls!

    Come on Dow 1,000!
     
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    #2047
    Some are saying the nexus could occur @ $5,000. I have been thinking about going long in gold, I'm just chicken. I don't like betting against the illuminati. ;)
     
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    #2048
    A real danger is that people are using money market funds to save operating cash. Continued decline in the Stock Market will cause funds to break the buck. As long as money market share price doesn't fall below the SEC's threshold of 99.9 cents, the fund can use the constant $1 share price. If the market price of the portfolio falls below that level, the fund has to use the actual price and "break the buck." Breaking the buck will cause a panic and bank runs.

    Total U.S. money market mutual fund assets decreased by $20.45 billion to $3.455 trillion in the week ended June 25, the Investment Company Institute said on Thursday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/fundsFundsNews/idUSWBT00929520080626

    The housing/stock bubble is already weighing on Ameican Express, BoA, Citibank, Chase, and Home Depot. The automotive industry is in trouble also and GM is tanking.
     
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    #2050
    I heard about that one. Dodd had a sweatheart loan for Countrywide as I recall. This is supposed to be a 300 billion bailout but who knows what the true cost will be. Money market funds have a lot of the commercial paper backed by subprime. So it goes beyond the subprime companies all the way to the big commercial banks.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #2051
    Apparently BofA actually wrote the legislation.

    This is an ongoing problem, as the legislators no longer write their own bills. They get it done by others, and it seems Dodd was outright paid to put this bill through. Do you think he will be impeached? :rolleyes:
     
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    #2052
    Sen. John Ensign, the Republican senator from Nevada is reportedly delaying the bill with a demand that renewable-energy tax credits be attached to the housing bill.

    http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-doddhousing0626.artjun26,0,618822.story
     
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    #2053
    I don't think politicians even write anything anymore, it is all lobbyists. I am not surprised in the least bit.
     
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    #2054
    I don't even think they read the legislation :(
     
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    #2055
    You shouldn't blame them because I don't think that they can read. :D
     
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    #2056
    Read the Bills Act, and the Write the Laws Act.

    Wow, check this out...

     
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    #2057
    The European Central Bank meets Thur. July 3, 2008 and it's expected that the ECB will raise rate a 1/4 point to 4.25%. This will widen the gap with the Fed rate of 2% putting more downward pressure on the dollar.

    The ECB has no choice. Inflation is the eurozone is expected to hit 4.1% in August.

    MBIA isn't looking so good.

    The IMF probably will have little or no impact.
     
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    #2058
    The dollar hegemony is coming to an end. I can see the Euro becoming the new reserve currency, which will create the perfect window of opportunity for the Renminbi to decouple.
     
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    #2059
    I as well.
     
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  20. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #2060
    All we have to do is make one up out of thin air too... ;) Introducing the Amero!
     
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