Do you show off your political views in public(real public)?

Yeah, I don't like that.

It's irrelevant, because the government would never allow it to be properly researched or investigated. To do so, would risk compromising all government authority. But yes, like all things I question about government, it should be researched and investigated, because I have a hard time believing that it could meet the burden required for Constitutional Amendment.

It's the law, we have to follow it. But we don't have to accept it in perpetuity or like it.

 

I do this for a couple of reasons.
I believe average people are not aware of how many people are dying in the Iraq war, and how much it costs us. Several people have told me exactly that on seeing my signs.
I have been told many times that I am brave to do it, or people thank me, or friends and relatives express concern that I might be arrested. Apparently the average person in our society needs to be reminded that we have the right to free speech & protest.

I believe in teaching according to the capacity of the people, so my signs are designed to catch the attention of middle America and hopefully to get them to think. I actually have a very sharp tongue but restrain it.

Yesterdays sign was an old one I had in my trunk.

BUSH LYING, PEOPLE DYING

I also have;

QUAGMIRE ACCOMPLISHED

A sign I update every time I use it, sadly, with the number of US killed in Iraq. Today it's 4110.

4110 US DEAD, WHAT FOR?

and this is out of date I think, it's more by now,
IRAQ WAR COST? 8 BILLION MONTH

and this one gets me the finger salute from SUV drivers
SUV COST, 10MPG, 2 SOLDIERS PER DAY, PEACE? PRICELESS

Used on a corner where some people got tickets for protesting
DISTURBING THE WAR, NOT THE PEACE
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Quick tunes

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping,
Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam,
Anti war bells ringing, hear the people singing,
No more war, no more war.

or

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping,
Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam,
Civil rights eroding, feelings of foreboding,
Stop Wiretaps, stop wiretaps.

Urge to Surge
Tune of 99 Bottles of Beer –
Original lyrics by Laureen Martin, Port Townsend,
with adaptations by Vicki Ryder, Rochester NY and South Florida

HERE'S the way that George explains our MISSION in Iraq;
"They TRIED to kill my daddy so I HAD to hit them back,
There's SOMETHING about Sunnis, and SHI'AS and some Kurds ...
It's MUCH too complicated but I GOT an urge to surge!"

He's GOT an urge to surge, oh yea, he's GOT an urge to surge,
It's JUST some more of the SAME manure,
He's GOT an urge to surge.

They TELL him troops are dying there, the NUMBERS they just grow,
So HERE'S his policy on that: He JUST don't wanna know,
They're DYING by the thousands but he DOESN'T keep the score.
His PLAN is: If it doesn't work, just DO it more and more.

Just DO it more and more, oh yea, just DO it more and more.
It's JUST some more of the SAME manure.
Just DO it more and more.

For STANDING up and challenging his REASONS for the war,
George SAYS that some in uniform are ROTTEN to the core,
And ANYONE who questions him, he JUST flips them the bird,
'Cause HE is the Decider and he's GOT an urge to surge.

He's GOT an urge to surge, oh yeah, he's GOT an urge to surge,
It's JUST some more of the SAME manure,
He's GOT an urge to surge.

We GRANNIES sure are raging, we've URGES of our own,
But HERE'S the thing that we all sing:
Let's BRING OUR TROOPS BACK HOME!

Let's BRING our troops back home, oh yeah,
Let's BRING our troops back home!
We'll TAKE no more of this manure,
Let's BRING our troops back home!!

We March for Women's Lives
(Tune: Battle Hymn of the Republic)

We're the Raging Grannies and we're here to take a stand,
To keep choice free for women all across our mighty land,
We won't go back to hangers if our right to choose is banned!
We march for women's lives!

Chorus:
No more dying in back alleys!
We'll keep marching in these rallies
Until all women everywhere are free to have a choice,
We march for women's lives!

We stand here in (fill in) and wonder at the sad disgrace
That women's rights might simply disappear without a trace.
We set aside our rolling pins to save the human race!
We march for women's lives!

Chorus:

We come today to the (fill in), we come because we aught
To make our legislators keep the rights for which we fought,
The right to plan our families and the freedom to abort.
We march for women's lives!

Chorus:

We know that every struggle brings its tears and brings its pain,
And sex-ed for our daughters wasn't easy to obtain.
We're here to say to Barbara Bush: "We wish you had abstained!"
We march for women's lives!

Chorus:

We have HUNDREDS of song, for all occasions.

 

You are so awesome.

Do you read antiwar.com? If I might be so bold, I'd like to recommend Eric Margolis, Tom Dispatch and Don Bacon (Smedley Butler Society) @ LewRockwell.

 

Good to know you find killing babies to be a humourous occasion worthy of a joke. Anybody with any decen sense of morals or common sense should know that 99% of abortions are wrong and very rarely should they ever be done.

I mean it is really amazing how stupid the pro choicers are in the fact that they really have no valid arguments to defend their sick perverted ideas.

I am up for women rights but they should not have the right to kill a baby.
Out of all abortions only about 1-2% are from rapes. The rest are people just wanting an abortion. News flash. Wear a condom. Get on the pill. etc etc.

I do not find your songs to be funny. Nothing short of sick.

 

Yeah it's much better we have more unfit single teenage mothers, crack addicted children, and orphans that often don't get adopted or moved from one bad situation to another. I think all you pro-lifers should be required to adopt 2.5 children and raise them in an inner city somewhere. I personally would never have an abortion (don't have the parts for starters) but as much as I don't believe I have the right to tell you not to get laid anymore, I don't think you have the right to tell anyone else whether they can have an abortion or not.

On topic, I make it a point to ask everyone I know their religion and political stances.

 

Well I wonder how that problem could be avoided. Do not be a slut maybe? Oh yea thats it. Wear protection? Yup again. Why should I have to have 2.5 kids? I am the responsible one. The teenage crack whores should grow up and takes responsibility. They should never of been having unprotected sex at their age.

And I love how you ok murder as long as a woman does it. Nice man.
You can believe what you want. But I believe in the right to life. Which guess what. Is guaranteed in the Constitution. Abortion never should of been legalized by the Supreme Court. Roe vs Wade was a joke. And a complete and utter lie if you have never heard that. The entire pretense of it all was a fabricated story. The ruling was sick and shows the incompetence of the Supreme Court. The right to privacy? I think not. Since when can judges insert some made up right over the right to life?

And for the record to be on topic. I am very open with my political views in public. I have started organizations locally and I wear tshirts and have bumper stickers.

 

You can scream out that abstinence and responsibility shit until the cows come home and it is not going to lower the rate of teen pregnancy or crack addicted children, or abandoned children. All your finger pointing, holier than though stuff doesn't change the reality.

Roe vs Wade may be a joke and the Supreme Court may be too, but are you suggesting we just do away with the Supreme Court and all its rulings? As far as a right to life, how do you define life and at what point do you think life begins? Oh yeah, and what scientific data do you have for those beliefs because the Bible or some other personal religious conviction isn't good enough for legislation. Me personally I tend to think its funny that abortion is such a huge topic with people who usually have no problem dropping bombs over Baghdad and sending teenagers to fight in overseas wars.

 

Good thing Im not religious then eh.
And I am sorry you do not see personal responsibiliy as being a good thing to have. But the fact of the matter is that I am right. If one does not want a baby then be responsible and use protection. Baby killing is not an appropiate form of birth control.

And did I ever suggest to do away with the SC? No I didnt so nice attempt to put things into my mouth. I see how you debate. I think the scientific data is well let's see...biological facts about life! Maybe it is just me but when life begins I tend to think that something is alive. I guess I may be wrong. Not like that would make sense or anything. By the definitin of life. homeostasis
Respond to stimuli
grow and develop
has own genotype
has genetic make up
etc etc etc etc

Those and more makes the baby alive.

And nice irrelevant point there with the Iraq war.

 

I was pro-choice, but now I am pro-life. Once I considered that the unborn has a right to life, it changed my mind.

That said, it's a very personal thing.

I think our culture has become a lot about enabling hedonism at the expense of intimacy and reproduction. We don't glorify parents and family anymore, we glorify casual sexual encounters and materialistic behavior. I suppose time will be the ultimate judge of that.

 

Thats right attack me, a name on the internet, instead of my argument. Just because you or I may consider I ourselves personally responsible does not mean everyone else is. You again start talking about how much better you are than others instead of looking at the reality of the topic.

I asked you about the Supreme Court, see the question mark? I see how you debate, all your finger pointing, holier than though stuff doesn't change the reality. What should happen in your perfect world is not happening.
Let me ask you something else though, how far under your skin should the government own? How many of your internal organs do you think the government should have jurisdiction over?

It wasn't irrelevant, if you have this strong conviction for the right to life, let me ask you where it stops for you, ok? Do you think animals should be considered as having a right to life and therefore we should not hunt food or raise livestock? What is your stance on capital punishment? If terminating a zygote of lets say two weeks old is killing babies, than does that make masturbation something like involuntary manslaughter?

 

Well I don't find abortion funny, you misunderstand. But that's OK, I don't expect everyone to agree or even to "get it". The songs are written to promote thought and discussion, not to soothe.

And of course, pro choice people do have arguments that they consider valid. But you know that, you just don't agree with the arguments, so you choose to pretend there aren't any.

How about this, I won't tell you what you can do with your body, and you agree not to tell me what I can do with mine in return. OK? No? Yeah, I suspected that.

Prochoicers think they have a right to use other womens bodies for their own agenda.

 

Thanks
But I'm really not that special. There are activists everywhere that do similar things all the time.
I hesitate to add more sites to my daily read list, but I'll try to look at them this weekend.

 

That's reaching....

When you decide to have sex, that's your choice. How much sex, with whom you have sex, what kind of sex, how long you have sex etc. Those are your choices, it's your body.

When you choose to have sex and pregnancy occurs (a very predictable side effect of having sex most people are aware of), then suddenly it's not only your body, but the body of the unborn child.

There are consequences to having sex. People should be willing to accept those responsibilities if they choose to have sex. Men and women.

 

Again you leave out the fact that I addressed your "argument" and countered what few points you were making?

You were implying I meant that.
and
The government should not own any of my body. But telling people they cannot kill somebody is not the same. So do not try to make that invalid point.

Animals no. They are not human. And I care about humans. And I used the Constitution for part of my argument. Since that particular document does not extend to animals then no. And since its natural to eat animals then no.

And masturbation is not killing. Nice use of an invalid argument that prolifers always try to use when they know there is a huge difference.

You see sperm does not have a genotype. It does not have a unique genetic make up. Does not have any of that. Sperm is not a living human being.

My stances are based upon doing the right thing. I am strongly anti war and humsn honestly sicken me (can't imagine why). But sometimes a war is neccesary. Sad but true. For capital punishment. It depends on how the execution is done and only in some circumstances.

 

Don't you know kids are having sex? People who are too young to buy beer or drive? I here all this morality stuff, and it sounds great, I suggest you all go talk to your children or parents about it right away. But again, how far into me can the government reach? How much control over my life and the lives of my offspring should the government have? I think they have too damn much already. I personally believe wholeheartedly that our core family values in America are at danger, that we need more children with good homes, but it hasn't happened yet and giving the government an arm into your body is not the answer. Personally pro-life, politically pro-choice.

 

So do you mind if I am personally pro rape? Why should the government be allowed to extend its power and tell me I cannot have sex with anybody I want? Your argument is flawed. The governments job is to protect us and life is included. Saying we cannot kill somebody is not them over stepping their boundary

 

You avoid the obvious differences. A being that is inside you and cannot live on it's own outside of you, is not the same as "anybody" and rape is not the same as murder, neither is abortion. You fudge the lines all you want, but federally outlawing abortion will not stop abortion, it will just cause more young, perhaps stupid or unlucky, women to die.

 

And again you are wrong.
First off in all honesty I would rather be raped then to have my brains sucked out of me or torn to pieces (aka an abortion). Or on a more general level. I would rather be raped then to be murdered.

And murder and abortion are the same.
One definition of murder includes
"to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously."
Does abortion seem humane to you?

And here is where you are just making more invalid points.

"outlawing abortion will not stop abortion"

GUESS WHAT
Murder is outlawed and people still kill one another
Stealing is outlawed and people still steal

So what is your point?
Should we legalize all of those things because they still go on?

NO
We should outlaw abortion and punish those who get one.

I say follow the Constitution and make abortion illegal as it is supposed to be.

 

Abortion is not a new phenomenon, your suck and shred story is not the only type of abortion, but I think you probably know that. The writers of the Constitution had most likely heard of the practice and saw fit not to include anything about it in the Constitution. You call it murder, I do not think so, right now the law agrees with me and tomorrow it could agree with you.

 

I never said it was new nor that those were the only methods. I know of a good handul of different methods. Shall I post them for you? And the writers of the constiution also says nothing about rape but I am sure they knew of rape. Along with a lot of other things. They also left out slavery for certain reasons. I know they knew of that. Does that make it right? Again you are defeating your own arguments.

By the definition of murder...abortion falls under that. The law can say what it wants but it can still be wrong.

And I am off for a while to hang with friends. So catch you all later.
I'll probably share my political views while I am out.