Do you show off your political views in public(real public)?

When I say real public, I mean the real world, not an online forum.

I'm currently wearing my Capitalist Pig t-shirt. It's great.


I also have a "Better Dead than Red" t-shirt.

 

I have an Obama, Clinton "bros before hoes" Tee and alot of anti-religuos Tees

 

Almost all my t-shirts are metal. I have no room in my wardrobe for political tees.

Everyone I know knows my political views; I know the political views of everyone I know. I suppose the same could be said of musical taste, but I buy those to support the band as much as possible while supporting the label as little.

 

Yes. I have a Barack Obama t-shirt

Obama 2008.

Hi Supper - I see you over in the Clickbank forum a lot. I'm all for capitalism (obviously) ... but I suppose I'm for a more "fair" version of it. I don't think a 100% free market system works in the end, you end up with a society where the very rich have way too much power in such a scenario.

I wonder what you think about the fact that 90% of Americans will have lower taxes with Barack Obama than they would under John McCain? Only Americans making over $130,000/year (not me, just yet.) will have higher taxes with Obama than with McCain.

 

A free market means the rich can never have too much power, because the market is free, for everyone to do as they choose. How many times do we have to go through this?

I didn't realize Obama was going to create the budget or set tax policy. That sounds like a dictatorial role.

Care to let us know how Imperial Obama plans to do this, and do that, since he has none of those powers under the Constitution, and this nation is not led by one man, but rather 535 representatives of the people? I didn't realize that Congress can't implement Obama's tax plan without Obama. Gee, maybe that's why he has done jack in the Senate except vote hypocritically.

 

This is all theory. In practice it doesn't work out so wonderfully. Money becomes power very quickly in a 100% free market system and eventually everyone but the very rich is helpless. They don't even have a chance.

I love how folks act like everything was all perfect back in the old days before any Government regulation. You know back when you could pay children slave labor wages. You know back when you could lock people in a factory where they burn to their death when a fire starts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire

If you have no Government regulation then the rich will treat everyone else like their slaves. That's the end result of a 100% free market society. You must have balance of the free market and regulation when it comes to such things for the good of the entire society. In the end even the rich benefit because they will live in a richer society. Isn't it better to be rich in a rich society than to be rich in a poor one?

 

No it isn't.

Are you back to hating yourself again? Maybe your carbon footprint is too big? Time to self-terminate and save the planet?

And how does that happen? You mean like when people buy politicians, laws, regulations and political power? Can you tell me where the uber rich who run the interwebs are?

You can't. You're just repeating socialist talking points without seriously looking at examples of statism vs. freedom.

That's illegal in a free market. This is my entire point. There are people who will complain about free markets, and then when you ask them to define or explain them, they will point to murder, violence or slavery, all of which are not allowed in a free society.

Is that all you have? Strawmen?

So everyone was a slave before the New Deal? Do you even realize how supercilious this statement is? You're deliberately constructing false paradigms that don't pass the simplest test of reason.

Ah, first you say it is theory. Then you construct a strawman and say this is what happened. So which is it? Theory or practice?

The good of society? That's socialism pal. Where the individual doesn't matter, society does. Like when Emperor Obama votes for FISA to undermine the 4th, and provide immunity to Republican criminals, for "security". Today he sells out the 4th, when he gets in, he will sell out the 2nd.

We'll have no rights, but he'll claim to keep us safe, right? For the good of society?

Who the F*** is this "society" and why do I have to keep bending over for him?

If that was true, then everyone would have been rocking a high standard of living in East Germany and the USSR.

Regulation favors corporations. It doesn't protect the little guy. It creates barriers from the little guy starting his own business, to circumvent the rich, the powerful and the monopolistic abusers. Regulation cripples the small guy and you think it will liberate him. What next, you gunna tell me how the minimum wages make us more prosperous?

All government intervention does is increase costs. Which means we get less. The more intervention, the less we get. This is an economic fact.

I can't stress enough how hypocritical it is for you to do business online in what is probably the freest market in human history, and then campaign for regulation on everyone who does business in the offline world. Because the minute they start regulating the net, little guys like you will be crushed under state sponsored oligopolies.

Wake up man. You've been fed the conventional BS and it's incumbent on you to reject it as a thinking, feeling, rational being.

 

LOL nice!!!!

 

I used to have and wear a Michael Savage, "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" shirt to school very often. I always got in arguments with the liberal teachers, but we were always on good terms. I wear Ron Paul shirts as often as possible. I'm gonna start getting some Confederate stuff, I'm about tired of hearing from Yankees around here!

 

Currently I do not have any politician that I would like to support openly. But yes I do publicly show my support when there is one.

 

Nate, do you know what the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions are?

Also, you are a liberal. You're a classic liberal in the mold of Frederic Bastiat.

 

My mouth follows me everywhere I go, no Tshirt needed..

 

Never heard of those resolutions, will look them up after I get somethin to eat. And yea I know now i'm a true liberal, back then I was pretty hardcore neocon.

 

I'll PM you some video. You'll dig it for sure.

I always get giggling when I read someone say they are a former neocon. Good stuff.

 

Yes I do. Today as a matter of fact. I was on a busy street with a big sign for 1/2 an hour after work. Been at that location before, responding to happy honkers driving by, and angry people shouting at me. Some stop, park, and walk over to poke a finger in my face.

Sometimes my friends and I go to large public events and sing political songs to people waiting in line.

Nothing like interacting with the masses.

 

Oh, this is too good.

What did the sign say?

What songs do you sing?

 

You make it sound like it's a sin to be rich.

I don't like it because it is the majority beating up on the minority. It's not fair. Everyone is supposed to be viewed as equals by the government. That means it doesn't matter if you're black, white, straight, gay, bisexual, rich, poor, middle class, single, married, christian, muslim, atheist, etc.

Under the eyes of government, all people are supposed to be equal. Not some more equal than others.

 

So what does equal mean to you.

For example:
Should someone making $10,000 a year and someone making $1,000,000 pay the same amount or the same percentage of their wages in taxes?

So should they each pay $1,000 in taxes or both pay 10%?

It is easy to say to treat everyone equally, the question is what do you mean. I think they should both pay the same percentage. Or is your idea of equal that the person making 1 million pay the same as the person making 10,000?

 

Yes.

IIRC, Taxes are supposed to be apportioned.

 

As I recall, the 16th amendment to the US Constitution did away with any requirement that taxes be apportioned.

Do you take the position that the 16th is not a valid Constitutional Amendment?

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."​