@balkanboy, i am surprised you were the designer of sevenseek, it's one of the best designs i have ever seen before.
I am not going to get into further discussion about Aviva,Alive and Authority directory. Everything I say would be sufficient. I mean, everybody owns a pair of eyes here. All websites are similar theory is complete nonsense. I am sure there are much more ideas in all human brains on this world than websites. And yes, some people are trying to be different instead of mixing two websites into one. It is up to me how much time I need to create a design. It could be 30 days or 1 minute. I don't see how that makes a difference. You get what you paid for. I also don't feel I need anybody to justify what I do or how much I charge. All this reminds me of wining about Rob's deep links mod price in the past. As for html validation, I understand it doesn't mean anything from business side of view, but it is telling a story about coder - how professional he really is or how much he cares and spends time on work for clients. What you pay is what you get. @Floppy: I didn't say anything related to SEO speaking of validation, but if you want to go that way here is something for you too read: Source: http://www.rsspieces.com/validating-your-website-for-better-seo Maybe you should learn more about HTML. You will see there is a proper use of tags like h1,h2,span etc and it is called semantics. This discussion reminds me why I am not active here anymore. I regret I even posted in this tread now. This place was full of people willing to learn and share what they know. Now, few self proclamated pro's with flashy avatars and sig links are spamming forums and pointing fingers. No wonder majority of people who actually know something left.
I might as well of wrote that man. I said focus on xhtml / html validation vs CSS. Your sorta preaching to the choir. I totally agree with that last paragraph. It just makes me feel stupid to participate in subjects like this. I am gonna shrug off that last comment and assume you misread what I wrote. Maybe you only read half of it and it is probably time I gave DP a retirement party it deserves. The constant vigor here is just not what I need and def not beneficial to my knowledge.
Well said, I could not be wasting my time reading the rest of the Thread although some well respected members have posted here ...........and no doubt posted good posts In general terms this category is 99% of the time reserved for kindergarden scribes And that is for sure why former members no longer post here Well said Marko
Have no regrets Marko. You had every reason to defend yourself here and I'm in an agreeance with you on your posts. Anyone trying to justify professionalism in terms of dollar bills and then trying to under-cut with miscellaneous referenced links all the while never having dealt with you really needs a reality check. I know you are worth your weight in gold. That is why I refer you(and zeb). Amen! Thread over!
Too much of nonsense, too much of acquisitions. This category is a perfect place for EXPERT NONSENSE TALKERS. There is something called as you get what you paid for. There are a lot of a*sholes here who are just self proclaimed experts, some are in this thread itself some are just busy padding up their post counts. Guys it NONE of YOUR BUSINESS who charges what and what they do. Btw it just makes me laugh so see, those who don't know to code, those who can't design and those who rip off other directories templates, are giving expert advices on how to code/design/charge for the needful and their supporters are giving them standing ovation.
Agreed and I said this a week or so back: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=8114622&postcount=50
for the person who gave me the red for alls I did was put people down who I knew did design and point to a list of people but you are real retty and need to grow up # and as far as recommendation that I have personally worked with those would be Clive, naif, thebookish, moindouin, plus a couple more
After another day to reflect on this it is pretty easy for me to see this is definitely a case where I should have just written out my response and promptly deleted it. I do that in so many cases here these days doing it one more time would have been the way to go. My whole issue was not with the amount that designers charge, it was with a certain post made in an entirely different thread which I started that still has me fuming a week after the fact. A post that should have also been deleted before submitting it imo. Trying to show up the new design of a directory by posting your own design in the thread while bragging about how it only took an hour to whip out, well it irritated me more than a little bit. So it made it very easy to use that post in my response on this thread. Anyway Marko your worth what clients are willing to pay for your services. If they are willing to pay $600 for a design, well then you are worth it. I have been looking at alive and aviva this morning. I tend to be at aviva nearly every day anyway, but today I am looking at their design. Frankly I don’t see it. The only thing one could say on mine and aviva is that there is a girl up in the corner and they are very different. The colors, fonts and everything else I see about the design is different. With alive I don’t see what you’re talking about at all. The only thing one could say about it is that the lines on the boxes for both sites fade as they trail down. It has a completely different layout and different colors. They just do not look the same. And humm for those who don’t code it is their business to know what is being charged and what it is for. How else will they know if what they are being charged is fair or not? But of course that is something that should be handled between the coder and the client.
I am sorry, I didn't know I am going to hurt your feelings by posting that alternative design. If you really want to know, owner of Lobo Links didn't have anything against it. He even pm'ed me after that and he was interested in my services. He also changed design after that and I hope I helped in some way. Therefore, I don't see what is your problem with all this. I just felt like doing that and I did. Nobody hurt, no harm done. And it wasn't bragging, I made it in one hour and that is a fact. Actually, you should know experienced designers do most of their designs in 2-3 hours. That is why they charge 50 pounds per hour. I am still not nearly that fast but moving towards that point and hope to get there. I really don't have anything to add anymore. Thanks to Rob, Pete and Sharat for sharing their common sense here. And Wallace, thanks for your words about Seven Seek.
Marko - all I can do at this point is apologize for my comment made when I was upset about something. I honestly wish I had not posted in this thread at all.
Ok Bruce, As in pm reply, apology accepted. We all have days like that. I am sorry if there was something rude in my responses too. I tried not to sound like that.