Why get upset with him? He clearly apologized and mentioned he did not know it was a racist site. I would suggest English reading classes if you don't understand what he said. 99 percent of you must be hypocrites. How could you know if he stumbled across this with google images? Lets say he clicked the image he found in Google images and brought him to this site. Now your interest is the picture. Why would you browse the rest of the site? Sure in some cases you will. But you have to remember 70 percent of the time you won't. You got what you were looking for! I believe him when he says he didn't know. Just like all of you have came across sites and didn't browse them. You just land on the keyword article you typed in. The end.
Ignorance is never an excuse for anything. If someone routinely sources race hate sites it raises suspicions regarding their motives and their research methods. Sorry i didn't know that melanin was what determined is someone could be racist or not. Could you explain exactly how the compound responsible for skin colour effects someones ability to be racist please.
So hes stumbled upon racists sites twice? So that obviously in your eyes makes him racist person. Thats nice to know. I guess racist sites have good rankings in Google? I believe it was an accident. Well how can you call some one brown racist against other browns? I'm sure there are people like that. Anyways he did say hes not racist. So why keep coming back with immature remarks towards him? Well? Please do tell me. I don't know why I keep posting in this sub forum. I always see a lot of people fighting. Mostly about Americans. I believe were all equal there is difference. But I guess if everyone thought the same as me the internet would be boring. There wouldn't be any complaining. I will leave the politics forum for ever.(Not worth my time)
I think its because he posted something that will make Israel look bad, as if it is not a bad, illegal, terrorist state already, not because the site was racist, but as yo may have seen here there are some who, whenever they see a thread that criticize Israel, will jump into it asking things like "what is the point of posting this?" then start the typical "antisemitism" asccusations, without really have anything to say about the topic being discussed, all they see, its criticizing Israel, or against Israel, so for them, this means: "lets not discuss the topic, but lets discuss, and if possible attack the person who posted it, either by accusing him with antisemitism, or ridiculing him" ironic, is that they are investigating Gauharjk for posting a link, was it an accident or on purpose? did he see the racist stuff or not? they do not believe him or his apology, even thou he posted a true story, and the problem was with other area on that site he quoted from, they do not believe him, but they believe that bombing a ship with unmarked jets, which was clearly showing US large flag, was an accident, did they see the flag or not?
I just want to correct one thing that you and others seem to repeat. He did not merely stumble on a racist website twice. Nobody would care what sites he wants to visit. The issue is that he, not just once, has posted threads to DP using racists sites as his source. I could not care less how many times he stumbles on a racist site. I do care how many times he comes to DP and shares material from racists sites - and unlike accidentally stumbling into a racist website, posting that material and linking to that site is not something one can do by accident.
yeah this is a problem for you, but for me the problem, did he post a fake story? do you think it was an accident? if you do not care, then why you are discussing Gauhar now and left the original topic, do you really, with your mind, think it was accident? or should we forget and forgive cos it happened 40 years ago?
Whatever issues exist are between America and Israel. I don't care what some random Jordanian or Indian thinks about it. We all know why you and others bring it up. It is not because you care about the Americans killed. You do it because you want to make Israel look bad and hope to make Americans hate Israel. Unlike you, I do care about my fellow American who died that day. What purpose is there in my discussing the Liberty with non-American's like you who are using for your own impure motives? I have no problems with more investigation. I do have a problem with people like you who lamely use any ruse and thread anything possible to try and make Israel look bad. Muslims would do a lot better for themselves if they spent their time making their own people better than trying to make the Israelis look bad.
you are right in the last sentence that Muslims would do a lot better for themselves if they spent their time making themselves better, and they do, part of that, is that they no longer are silent about whatever shit Israel would say, not about this incident only but many others, you can think about it as me, by posting here on DP, trying to make US hate Israel, for me its revealing more about the incident which probably have not been heard in USA, I am sure, Israel can do much better in making US and the rest of the world hate it than me with my posts, if you think a country who bombs his allies and kill them, to drove the ally into war with Egypt, is a good country, its up to you, I believe its a bad evil country, everybody is free to think whatever he wants, if you think bombing civilian American and British targets in Egypt to make it look like Egypt did it, is something done by a good country, thats up to you, for me its not, if you think shooting down a civilian plane without warning, which lost its way and entered Israeli airs by mistake in a sand storm, is something done by a good country, then its up to you, I have different image of what can be considered a good country.
In the mean time, I excuse many of your postings based on your ignorance. Who cares what the source is? is the facts manipulated and wrong or not? If it is then expose it, if it is not what is the point of discussing the "source".
It is funny that you talk about racist site while when forced to discuss the subject, your racist side comes out and the opinion of Indian or Jordanian is not important, only the opinion of superior race of Americans and Israelis count. I asked you a question before but you never answered, if one day USA and Israel go to war, in which side will you be fighting? It is strange how neo-cons have convinced many Americans to sell their country and be a traitor.
because it betrays the OP's motives and agenda. Think of it this way. We can discuss black on black crime which, In the UK at least, Is a big problem. We can discuss it rationally and objectively. We can surmise possible causes and we can suggest possible solutions. If, however, The discussion regarding black on black crime is instigated through the posting of an article from the national front website then that discussion is invalidated simply because it was instigated through an inherently racist source. I'm pretty sure if i was to post something criticising islam from a racist site the validity of the discussion would be called into question and i'm sure there would be no shortage of muslims ready and willing to erupt in outrage. Sure, let's discuss things. but let's not pretend that the OP wanted a rational objective discussion and let's not pretend him posting an article from a race hate site was a coincidence. I never said he is racist, I said he sourced his article from a racist site. it's very important that you read the exact words i write and don't use your own personal interpretation. I know i sometimes use some big words and most of what i say goes straight over your head, But if you read something and feel you don't fully understand it it would be best if you refrain from commenting on it. In an ideal world i would be able to sit down and give you a one on one explanation, but right now i just don't have the time for that.
First of all, it has nothing to do with some notion of a superior race. It is merely an issue that is between two nations. I don't see how some Indian or Jordanian citizen's opinion on the Israeli US relationship (and an event that happened years ago) has any relevance. Please feel free to let me know why imad's opinion on the Liberty is something I should be concerned about. As I have said many times. I am an American. I would never fight for any other country or against America. Is that clear enough for you.
It is strange that you want to bomb their countries to make them "democratic" but they can not even have an opinion about a subject in forum which is dedicated to such discussion. Is it because you think Americans and Israelis are superior and know best about everything? I like to believe you about the last part but all your posts show a strong willingness to sell your country interests (including American lives) for the benefit of Israel. Who knows? May be you are patriot and USA is just not your country.
I read the forum rules, I did not see where it says " if an issue is between 2 countries then only members of these 2 countries can discuss the topic" besides, its not between 2 nations only, Egypt was involved too, and all those who a participated in 1967 war, and those who are neighbor to such criminal state, that won't hesitate to fake, kill, lie to provoke wars, you do not have to be concerned, you might not be concerned about the victims, but actually you are very concerned in something very related to the topic, which is you being concerned in not discussing the topic.
I don't want to bomb any country to make them democratic. You must be mixing me up with someone else. People are free to have any opinion they want. I don't have to give everyone's opinion more respect than it is due. Please tell me again, why imad's opinion on the Liberty is something I should care about? You miss the point. I am in no way trying to stop you or anyone from spending your days ranting about the Liberty. You are free to discuss it ad nauseum. I am merely saying that I don't give a crap what you have to say, as your motive for pushing this issue is clear and because your opinion is of no consequence. Please, by all means, carry on and add your two cents to every Liberty thread. No doubt there will be many more posted here.
this is what I was trying to do before you come, your unrelated posts although they are the usual crap, but they made me wonder, do you think such incident should be ignored cos they make Israel look bad? or do you think they should be discussed cos it was really an accident and if it been discussed thoroughly then it will show clearly it was an accident thus will make Israel look good? when you are able to answer this, you can jump and speak about why somebody brought it up.
In the event it wasn't clear, I personally don't have an issue with Gauharjk's posting as a posting critical of Israel. Personally, I blame the west for much of this mess....hypocritical to tell anyone they don't have a right to national self-determination when this was the very underpinning of so much of the world's ideology, leading up to, through, and post WWI. I won't go into too much here, except to say that I support Israel's right to exist, as I believe the Palestinians have been handed a raw deal and both sides must come together and recognize the legitimate need of the other; there is a need for security, peace, and enfranchisement that isn't being met, and until it is, I don't see anything good coming out of this region. I don't bear hate towards either "side." In fact, I grieve for the good people on both sides who simply want to live and let live. To this thread's issue, as I said, from what I can see, there is credible, conflicting evidence supporting "both sides" of this tragic event. It also appears there was a whitewash in the early inception of the spillout, and I support full transparency. No, my issue with Gauharjk's posting like this is with the fact he has drawn from a couple of patently disgusting hate sites to make his points. Plain and simple. It takes a millisecond, at least for me, to see what this site is about, and if I wanted to make a point, I'd just go to another source to stake my claim. As I have said, I have had profitable exchanges with Gauharjk and I hope to have them again. I would again ask him in all sincerity, a basic "what the hell?"
Amen. I appretiate your views. Yes, I agree with your view that there should be a full investigation into the incident by an independent panel. There certainly are conflicting evidences on both sides. But you must listen to the sailors who were on that ship. The first time I had posted, a few months ago, from The Institute of Historical Review. How many people would be able to single that source out as a racist organization? Only a handful. I couldn't, coz I didn't know about them. In the second instance, as I have stated before, I found rare images of USS Liberty incident, clearly showing Israeli Fighter Jets, Torpedo Boats and Helicopters attacking a clearly marked, unarmed US Ship. I agree I am guilty of not looking up what kind of other content was hosted on that WordPress blog. It certainly is not a "famous" site... Atleast I had not heard of it before. That is why, I apologized in the begining, after I found I had made a mistake. I have written 1200+ posts, and in them, 2 sources were from "racist whte spreemacist neo-nazi sites"... That makes is 0.167%. I have never wiritten anything against any religion, never. But I hate zionism, and consider it a racist ideology. I have nothing against Israelis. I am sure most are decent people, and should not be punished for the crimes committed by their forefathers, just like you won't punish children of Nazi War criminals. But Palestine should be free. Palestinians should get justice. They should be treated aas equals, and not as sub-humans.