Chickenhawkary

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    Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk; sometimes designated after a person's name by [c.h]) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, but has never personally been in a war, especially if that person actively avoided military service when of draft age.

    The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war.

    How many chickenhawks do you know?

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  2. imad

    imad Peon

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    Thanks for the definition, according to this page there are many well known chickenhawks:


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    and others, by the way, I have seen this smiley you posted before, but it was without the stitches

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    bogart Notable Member

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    Excluding the 19 hijackers, 2,974 people died as an immediate result of the attacks with another 24 missing and presumed dead on September 11, 2001 by terrorists. Most of the people were killed on the September 11, 2001 World Trade Towers attacks. A lot of people forget about the 1993 World Trade Tower attack in which 9 people were killed. The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization.

    If it wasn't for US troops fighting the terrorits in Afganistan and Iraq, US cities would be seeing continued attacks with higher and higher death tolls. The 1993 World Trade Tower attack went unanswered and this led directly to the deaths of 3,000 people killed by terrorists on September 11, 2001.

    A lot of liberals, communists and terrorists spit on US troops returning from the War on Communism. I'll take the chance to post some information on Joe Hooper who received a battlefield commision in the Vietnam War and was the most decorated soilder of the war.

    Hooper had been awarded 35 medals, including the Congressional Medal of Honor, two Silver Stars, six Bronze Stars and eight Purple Hearts. He was credited with killing 115 North Vietnamese, but the number was probably higher. He used to say he could smell the enemy.

    On Feb. 21, 1968, during the Tet offensive and some of the hardest fighting of the war, Staff Sgt. Joe Hooper was leading a recon squad near the northern city of Hue. "We stumbled across what turned out to be the North Vietnamese divisional headquarters," he recalled later. "It was six of us against maybe 140 of them. It was hand to hand and the main battle lasted 6 1/2 hours and it seemed like a long time before other companies got there to help."

    "In all we killed 85 and captured 13. I was credited with 22 killed."

    When Hooper used to talk about the day for which he won the Congressional Medal of Honor, he told the story matter of factly. The telling wasn't much different than the way it is told on the official citation that went with the award.

    Joe Hooper passed away in May 1979 of a cerebral hemorrhage.

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    gworld Prominent Member

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    There were many chickenhawks in DP before but then they left and now couple of them are back. One of them is specially funny since he thinks of himself as some kind of video game general and a genius because he has been chosen as employee of the month in burger king and gets high score in xbox war games. :D
     
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    Sorry if I'm drifting off the topic, but I'd like to ask you guys something. Do you mean to say chickenhawks are not allowed to talk about war? Just because they've not been a part of it? And do we have the same yardstick for people from other walks of life too?

    For example - say, I'm a banker. I support students joining politics and I'm for reformation of the political structure through active student participation. Now, I wasn't a part of any such thing when I was a student. Does that fact deny me the right to voice my opinion and encourage other students to take part in politics? Could someone explain?
     
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    LinkSales Active Member

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    The issue is that people are willing to give up the lives of others to push their own political views but would have never done the same. I know plenty of teenagers 18-19 who support the war in Iraq, want it to continue, but would never go even if asked.
     
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    You could use the same agrument about police and crime. Police are paid to arrest crimminals and the public wants the crimminals arrested. Most of the public are unwilling to join the police. So does that make the public unable to voice their opinion on crime.
     
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    LinkSales Active Member

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    Much of the public's view comes from their police encounters when going 15 over the speed limit. You're going to be hardpressed to find someone who is anti-police intervention in a holdup, or in a murder etc.

    Would I join the police to pull over speeders or arrest nonviolent drug offenders, no way? Would I do it to really serve the public, work to prevent true crime, certainly.

    Either way, I dont exactly follow the logic between someone disliking police and pushing a war.
     
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    The point is that most of the public does not want to join the police but wants the police to arrest criminals. You could even say that most of the public wants the police to protect them.
     
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    Sorry but there was no terrorist connection between iraq and 9-11. Its beyond me why people keep posting false facts like this even till today.
    I went through this with gtech many times and many times it had to be proven that there was no connection at all between iraq and 9-11.
    That iraq war is a bs war fabricated with lies to put our soldiers and innocent iraqi civilians in harms way.
    Everytime a falsehood is posted about the connection of the iraq war and terrorism it dishonors our brave soldiers in iraq who deserve alot more than that. They deserve to be brought home.


    As far as vietnam im not even going to go into the gulf of tonkin incident. We all know it was bs.
     
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    I think most chickenhawks left DP because there's no logical way to argue for the Iraq war anymore.. So many people are against it, and chickenhawks don't like to go against the grain.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    yeah pretty much, that is true everywhere now
     
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    The military was a lot more dangerous during the days of Jimmy Carter due to poor and outdated equipment. The armed forces suffered 2,392 deaths in 1980 the last year of the Carter Presidenct. In 2006 there were 1,858 US service member deaths. The point here is that the US Armed Forces are safer with someone like Bush as President than an Obama/Carter.

    Mohammad Atta, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, met with Iraqi intelligence officers in Prague 5 months before the 9/11 attacks.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    lol, yeah how many are mangled with serious injuries that survived? isn't there like 20k + , seriously wounded coming back from iraq?

    that was debunked, they got ATM footage of atta in the US at the time he was supposedly meeting in prague
     
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    Saddam provided financial support to 9-11 through a complex web of financial institutions in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Italy and elsewhere including possible connection between al-Taqwa and Iraq

    al-Taqwa was created in the late 1980s by the Muslim Brotherhood, which is "dedicated to the overthrow of Western nations and the creation of a worldwide Islamic government." al-Taqwa was formed by Nada, Himat, Ahmed Huber and Mohamed Mansour.

    The Simon Wiesenthal Center reports that Huber is a 74-year-old neo-Nazi who converted to Islam in the 1960s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Taqwa_Bank
     
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    That is a distortion. The fact is that in the 80's Saddam was considered another Western supported dictator in the Middle East. It wasn't until the Gulf War that Saddam actually became hated by the West.
     
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    US tried to balance Iran and Iraq. But that was before Iraq invaded Kuiwait and Saddam promised that "It will be the mother of all battles"
     
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    There was a lot of people against freeing the slaves in the 1860s and a lot of people against civil rights movement in the 1960s, just cause the majority views something one way doesn't mean its right. Especially when the majority view point shifts so quickly from one viewpoint to another. Lets not forget that the majority of the people supported the war in 2003.
     
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    lol, the president has been on tv repeatedly saying saddam had nothing to do with 911

    somehow I think that carries more weight then a wiki page
     
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    Since when do you believe anything Bush says? ;)
     
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