Energy Independence ~ Free Market Offers Solutions

Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol
Silicon Valley is experimenting with bacteria that have been genetically altered to provide 'renewable petroleum'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece

~Intro~

That's right. Gas crapping bugs. And you thought only Jalapeños could cause that.

 

Very interesting, but how many bugs would you need to produce a gallon of oil, and what would be the possible environmental damage of having a million of this little bugs around

 

Everyone and their grandmothers know that bugs reproduce at incredible rates and very efficiently also. This is something i really wanna look into but if this happens wont it be a threat to the big oil companies?

 

I actually posted this info in one of the ranting threads about drilling what little oil we have left will miraculously be our savior.

Not a single person responded about it, simply more drill, drill, drill.

 

Grim why do you think more people arent pushing our government to look more into this? Could it have something to do with our foreign policy and keep control of other countries and keeping them dependant on us for protection?

 

Very interesting indeed. I hope it works, and oil can be produced at the rate at which it is being consumed now... But if it does work, kiss clean energy good bye.

That is what Pastor Lindsey Williams has been talking about for many years now... But nobody pays attention, and a respected Pastor is being labeled as a conspiracy theorist and a kook. But I sincerely believe his message holds some truth...

I suggest listening to this short interview (about 11 minutes long combined)... HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

Part 1: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ukW9zveKKwk&feature=related
Part 2: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HX8Ih9N-JT0&feature=related

This explains why Oil Companies and Hedge Funds are massively shorting Oil Commodities Futures.

 

Probably because we live in the real world where we need a lot of oil, not just a few droppings.

 

Ahh yes like the 'few droppings' we have available that we can actually get to in the US at the current moment.

Ignorance

 

Wanna here something funny? According to you this ISN'T a free market solution, but a violent STATIST solution. Those bugs, or should I say genetically engineered bugs are the property of the owner, as well as the intellectual property of creating them.

It's nice to know that the bright minds of today have property rights over their thoughts, from people that would STEAL them. There would be no reason for them to create this, unless they were being financially compensated for all that work, and unfortunately when someone steals from you, you don't get paid.



Can you feel that? HUH! HUH! HUH!

 

Like I wrote in the other thread, you are missing the point. Coming up with the process isn't the path to riches. It still has to be produced and brought to market. Ideas are worthless unless someone will put them into practice.

Right, because the web platform you are posting on right now (L.A.M.P.) was created exclusively for financial compensation, right?

Your example isn't the rule, if it is knocked down by the simplest of challenges to it's veracity.

Yes, I can feel it. You're behaving like an 8 year old.

 

Craig Venters company are fabricating entire bacterial genomes. These bacteria will eventually be able to biologically synthesise any element you want by disposing of any other material.

Want nitrogen but don't want nylon? Make a bacteria that eats nylon and craps nitrogen. Stick this in a car and feed it old tights, Lovely clean fuel made by tiny creatures that eat your garbage.

 

LMAO!!!!

sorry, that was just hilarious

 

See you're spinning off point, as usual. This is an EVIL CORPORATION, using VIOLENCE, from the EVIL STATE, to protect it's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. This isn't a FREE MARKET solution, so you should OBVIOUSLY be AGAINST IT.

Vbulletin is a for profit corporation that protects it's intellectual property. How could you support and post on DP when such VIOLENT STATIST acts are being committed against good people that just want to steal?

Aren't you sick of acting like a communist that thinks intellectual property is "public domain" and should be stolen? Aren't you sick of trying to destroy the constitution and what it stands? Aren't you sick of hating all the great founding fathers that made this country so great.

You were burned so bad.

 

Ok, you're being really ridiculous, but I will play along for one more post.

It is a free market solution because rising fuel costs have created a natural market reaction of investigating expensive alternatives. You may think it is the patent process that is the incentive for this research, but if you read the article, it's the high price of gas that has encouraged companies to research alternatives that the current market price will allow them to recoup costs from.

Again, you have not understood my posts. I am not for stealing. I am against the notion that ideas are property.

Communist. That's funny. You're the troll for the state!

Seriously, are you 8 years old? I'll argue with the feeble minded, but not children.

 

ah ah ah, je na sais pas. I've caught onto you and the way you debate. You'll try to weasel your way out of this. Like you said, intellectual property rights are violence. As a libertarian you shouldn't support this "violence". So how is this business a free market solution when it violently controls the market with protection from the state?

 

I'm not trying to weasel out of it. The problem is that you aren't able to keep up.

Wrong, I said the concept of IP is only possible through state sponsored violence. There is no way to enforce it, without state power. Duplicating an intellectual work is a victimless crime. And guerilla believes there must be a victim to have a crime.

I don't. I firmly believe in the NAP.

I've already answered that. If you read the article, they didn't pursue this because they could hold the patent. They could hold the patent 20 years ago. The price of technology and the price of oil have created an intersection, where it is now profitable for entrepreneurs in the market to pursue R&D and hope to recoup their investment and make a profit.

If oil was $30 a barrel, it's unlikely this firm could afford to do this R&D, even if it could hold the patent.

 

All property is enforced by violence. It doesn't necessarily have to physical or intellectual and it doesn't have to be done by the state.

*rolls eyes*. Yes I know the profit comes from the market. You're missing the point. They have intellectual property that is protected by the state. It's a violent act as you state, so it's not free markets, by your definition. It's "regulations and protectionism".

 

Incorrect. Property rights can be enforced by private contract that specifies a jurisdiction and arbitrator or arbitration process. This is a voluntary resolution process for property disputes and doesn't have to involve violence.

You're playing a semantic game. It is the free market reacting. Price triggering innovation. The government caused the high prices, but it didn't provide the entrepreneurship.

I've already addressed that they do or do not have intellectual property is irrelevant. Price is the driving factor for innovation and competition.

 

Let's say you goto work. I kick the door of your house in, change the locks, and declare it my property. I have 5000 cans of beans, (anticipating the typical anarchist quaranteen), after a few months, I get bored, burn your house down and walk away. How exactly do you stop me without the use of violence there hotdogs?

I'll repeat it again. You said intellectual property is violence enforced by the state. This business is a violent force of the state and is not a free market solution like you said. Just concede it.

 

That's a ridiculous example, and it doesn't contradict my position on contract. You could name 1,000 examples of property rights enforcement requiring violence, but I only need to name one that does not, because you wrote "all property is enforced by violence". Which is absolute, and incorrect.

You can repeat it as many times as you like. You're still offering a flawed argument.

It's like saying that America is at war in Iraq, therefor all Americans are at war with Iraq. Or Budweiser is the King of Beers, so all other beers are subservient to Budweiser.

It's just mindless prattle and jingoism.