Political Utopia and Spiritualism

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ncz_nate, Jun 22, 2008.

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    A few weeks ago I was thinking to myself (hah! not funny!) and figured Libertarianism was the ultimate political landscape for spiritual growth. Or at least it was very similar. There are so many similarities between spiritualism and libertarianism it is pretty neat. Basically it revolves around the "you control your own life" axiom that they both share; which each is true for both. However, I went a little deeper into what life on earth is really all about and thought there is another possibility..

    Libertarianism is the ultimate dystopia BECAUSE it's a utopia. I figure life here is about learning, soul development and raising your consciousness until you unite again with the Oneness of the Universe through several reincarnations (my own beliefs, but they are shared often elsewhere). In order for this to happen, you need to find peace within yourself that is in contrast from worldly affairs. Because peace is, after all, a contrast of its antonym. Real peace is not some scene away from all chaos, that's boredom; or so says some philosopher that I forget the name of..

    But basically what I'm talking about has to do with the positive/negative forces of life that react against each other to create something. So each of us is, essentially, that potential peace that contrasts from the chaos of the world. I think life here is like an obstacle course and impediments are purposely set up to confuse those who've strayed away from themselves. If there were no obstacles and chaos, we may find that the worldliness is a good thing and figure it's better to stay with it! And thus never find ourselves and reach our ultimate goal.

    This is just a possibility that crossed my mind, because when I look at history, besides a few brief moments, there really was never a worldly utopia. I think that's because it's ingrained in our DNA to create chaos in numbers, it's inevitable.

    What say you?
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 22, 2008 IP
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    northpointaiki Guest

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    Something in what you're saying brings me to an essence of zen experience, which is to engage in stillness in the midst of motion; martial experience, properly received - what the Japanese call mushin, or "no mind," way too played out as a hollywood thing, is, at least to me, just a state of disattachment, but it isn't achieved on a mountain top, in a place free from chaos. Nothing more chaotic than in the midst of a sword duel (or real world violent scenario), but to achieve the ideal - do what is proper, and necessary, without excess or disturbance - well, it's a worthy goal. My master, the guy I lived with, once described training as this: to achieve the state of an iceberg, buffeted by a storm. The tip may move, be responsive to the shifting tides and winds; but the deeper you travel down that berg, the wider and more stable the base - it doesn't move.

    Not to retreat from life, but to engage it, and release it, in all its chaos - to meditate with one's eyes wide open. I'm still working on it, obviously.
     
    northpointaiki, Jun 22, 2008 IP
  3. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting. I also heard something similar to this recently, (again, I forget where) that meditation in motion is 1000 times more powerful than meditation in stillness.

    I speak from the perspective of an observer though, I'm more spiritually detached right now than ever.



    Edit: Another point I forgot to mention was that it seems modern governments are a CONTROLLED version of indirect chaos, not like anarchy. I still believe there are those elites in this world who control the worldly affairs, and that they are in fact neutral. They simply "spread the tools", making it just enough to live and achieve your purpose, but certainly not an environment that is best to achieve WORLDLY desires. The "Law of Attraction" also ties into this and makes it more complex and confusing..

    But ultimately, I think politics will never change and it is just a trap. New perspective I've found some meaning in..
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 22, 2008 IP
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    Politics is a trap, but that doesn't mean it can't be a vehicle for communication and influence.
     
    guerilla, Jun 23, 2008 IP