Reason for Midwest floods?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ncz_nate, Jun 20, 2008.

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    http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1199210

    Now here's a new theory, what do the corn huskers have to say about that?

    Does the earth's soil actually have value or should it be replaced with pesticides? I'll be interested in what stOx has to say about this.
     
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  2. earthfaze

    earthfaze Peon

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    Just want to point out a fact about farmers. Family farmers eat their crops. Their land is their life in many ways and often the lives of their ancestors. Factory farms on the other hand are about making money. A lot of factory farms are ran out of Mexico and other nations that do not have the same standards we do. They put chemicals on crops we banned 30 years ago. That saves them even more money.

    As to some of the chemical comments by this "writer", he talks as if farmers don't take great trouble and expense to make sure their lands ph stays good and that most of what a farmer puts on his land is nitrogen and pot ash. Natural stuff.

    And finally, my IQ dropped reading that.
     
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  3. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    So you're saying that these family farmers don't put chemicals on their crops?

    Have you read "You can Farm" by Joel Salatin by any chance?
     
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    I am not saying that :D I am saying family farmers who put bad things on their crops lose their farms and/or get sick. Never heard of the book, but if you screw up the ph in your land, your crops won't grow. I am saying it will be obvious if land is over farmed or polluted because it will be worthless.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    I found it very hard to follow what that guy was talking about. If anyone got to the end having a grasp of the general point the guy was making and the reasons for his conclusion it would be handy if they come sum it up in a coherant paragraph for me.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    Ammonia in the soil regulates the soil temperature so that its reactions against the variations in the day and night time temperatures aren't as drastic; less winds, etc.

    When the natural process is disturbed, it creates harsher reactions. Also, continuous tilling of the land destroys the habitat of earthworms and other organisms that create air holes in the soil that would otherwise serve as a sponge to soak up excess water from a flood. Water that sits on top also evaporates easier and contributes to the flooding cycle, because the soil is no longer like a sponge.
     
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    earthfaze Peon

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    Sure, just for fun. Parenthesis are mine.

    Hi Ya'll, (He is from New England)

    Now days there is much talk by some supposed Experts that because of the Burning of Fossil fuels and the Release of more Carbon Dioxide gases into the air that the earth climate is warming up and may be the Cause of our weather patterns Causing Storms and floods etc !

    (People talk about Global Warming)

    As of recent we have had Serious Flooding on the entire midwest of the USA in the Heart of our Corn and Soybean producing states, which is going to lead to massive shortages of Food in the near Future !
    (There is flooding in the Midwestern US)

    A lot of folks do not have any back up food supply, thus there are going to be a lot of hungry folks around the world !
    (People might go hungry)

    But, could these problems be Caused by some other Reason than what the "Supposed" Experts are trying to Claim?
    (He doesn't believe in Global Warming)

    Let us consider some ideas?
    As I have previously stated that Everything in the Entire Universe is controlled by the Acid/Alkaline pH balancing Principles, the weather patterns may be "NO" Different !
    Our Creator "God" had a few words with a man called Job many years ago and one of the Questions that our Creator asked Job, was what makes the Wind Blow or it to Rain etc !
    Of course Job did "NOT" Know the answer !

    (He likes to read the Bible and he has some strange theory about pH)

    And still today with "ALL" the new Discoveries, mankind still does not understand "WHY" and is trying to lay Blame , calling it Global Warming !
    Thus I will share "WHY" this problem is come upon mankind !
    The 1st Simple Question is "WHY" and "What" Causes the Wind to Blow ?
    Because when "WE" can undertstand this Question, then "WE" may be able to understand Better "WHY" "Killer" storms come upon mankind, causing Great Damage and Flooding?
    1st let "US" understand that Storms have always been on earth in Different areas of the world, but where much of mankind has settled, may be in areas where the weather was more Stable?
    Now days, they talk about 500 year storms etc, which are becomming a Common place occurence, instead of supposed 500 year storms !
    So, What and How may these come about?
    (He thinks he knows why God hates farmers)

    Let us go back to when God asked Job what made the Winds Blow?
    For storms have Great winds !
    This answer is very Simple !
    The Strength of Wind is Caused by the amount of Difference between "Hot" and "Cold" comming together and Reacting against each other !!!!!!!!!!
    Thus the Colder a Front may be that moves into a Hot weather area, may Cause Greater Winds to be Created !
    Thus Greater Storms to come about !
    Thus one could "STOP" a storm in it's track by Stablizing the Temperatures !
    (He is God's weatherman)

    So the next question is what Causes the earth to have these Greater Extremes of Hot and Cold ?
    Anyone who has ever spent a Day and nite out in a Desert, knows that in the Day time that it may get Very Hot, and at Nite it may get Very Cold !
    And when the day comes and the Hot Sun shines on the sand and dirt, it makes it very Hot, then as nite comes and the Sun goes down and nite begins, the Heat in the soil will react with the coolness of the nite air and the wind will start to Blow more !
    Then go to a Forest area and the Temperature is much more Stable, because the Soil does not get as Hot in the day time and the coolness of the nite does not have as much Heat stored in the soil to react against , thus the Temperatures are more Stable and the wind does not have as much Extremes to it !

    (He likes the outdoors)

    Now, what about farm land that mankind uses to grow his food supply on?
    Mankind has Destroyed the Soil Life from the Soils he is trying to grow his food supply on, by the use of Pesticides and Poisons etc, and destroyed the Organic matter from the Soil !
    "WHY" has this Destruction Caused so much "Cursings" for mankind in the way of Extremes in the weather, as Greater Storms and Flooding, which are comming about with more Frequency?
    Back again to the Soil Life, which our Creator "God" gave mankind in the beginning, but mankind has been working Hard to Destroy, this very Life thread that mankinds very existance depends upon !!
    In a Living Soil, the little Bacteria and Fungi and all the other little Soil Life, eat and die and produce Live Organic Matter, which has Nitrogen in the form of Ammonia, which is what helps Stablize the Soil Temperature !
    Amonia acts as a Refrigerant, which means that it will Boil when it is Frozen, and it will Freeze when it is Heated up !
    Thus the Ammonia will help keep the Soil in a Stable temperature, if the Soil contains enough Live Organic matter containing this Ammonia from Dead Soil Life, because of the Natural Life cycles of Soil Life !
    But, when mankind "Kills" this Soil Life with the "Poisons" he chooses to grow his foods with, this causes the soils to become Un-Satble and in the day time will get Hot from the sunshine vs cool off, vs when the soil has enough Natural Ammonia from the soil Life, which would Cause the Soils to Cool as the Hot sunshine would shine on soils with enough Live Organic matter !

    (God hates farmers because this guy thinks they are messing with the soil)

    Now to the question about the problem of Extreme Flooding?
    "WHY does mankind have more Frequent problems of Great Floods?
    This problem is also related to the Life in the Soils and mankinds Destruction of the Soil Life !
    When the Soils have had their Soil Life destroyed, then when it rains, the water does not have earthworm holes to allow for the water to soak into the soils rapidly, thus the water runs off and causes Floods down stream !
    If the soil has enough Soil Life and Calciums available, then this soil may absorb a 12 to 24 inch rain in a 24 hour time frame and no water will run off !
    And to complicate this problem, as it rains , then when the rain stops, and the Hot sun comes out, this Excess water on top of the soil is evaporated into the air in Greater amounts Faster, because of being on top of the soil and not having a chance to soak into the soils, and this Greater amount of water rises to the sky til it hits the Colder Air above in the sky, until the clouds cannot hold anymore water, and the sky then "Dumps" out Greater amounts of water in other areas of the country, thus Causing Greater Destruction and the cycles of destruction continue !
    And it is "ALL" because of mankind Destroying the Soil Life in the soils he is farming !
    What does this have to do with Carbon Dioxide emmisions and Global warming?
    In Nature Plants take in Carbon Dioxide to help form more matter, thus the more Carbon Dioxide that becomes available, may Cause plants to be able to Grow Better, if they have Soil Life to enable them to do so !
    And in return for taking in Carbon Dioxide, the Plants in return give off "Oxygen" , which mankind needs to Breath !
    Thus the whole idea of Global warming because of the burning of Fossil fuels may be a Bunch of "Foolishness" !
    (We have floods because God hates farmers, oh and Global Warming is BS)

    Cause and Effect !
    (He once went to public school and heard a story about an apple hitting some guy in the head)

    Everything in the Entire Universe is controlled by the Acid/Alkaline pH Balancing Principles and there is Nothing which is not !
    (He has some strange theory about pH balance?)

    Choose Life or Death this Day !(Pro-life)

    Smile Tis your choice.(He likes SCA events)

    Best I could do.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    haha thanks for the belly laugh
     
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    Ever heard of the dust bowl? It is basically what happens when you don't rotate crops or let land lie fallow every so often. Your land becomes worthless. I don't buy the earthworm crap. If you have good land you won't have any trouble finding lots of worms on it.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    I do know about the earthworm crap, when you keep tilling it, it destroys their tunnels.

    Just because you "find" good land doesn't mean it remains that way for eternity, that is why you should read Joel Salatin's book because it talks about this very issue. You can't fight against nature and succeed, have you watched Man vs. Wild?
     
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    Hehe, good show, good point. I'll try to read the book, always up for a read, but it's precisely these reasons that a farmer rotates crops and lets land lay.
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    It's pretty lengthy, basically a guide for entrepreneurs to succeed in the farming business through an organic approach. Thanks for the participation, good sport.
     
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    Flooding is a natural process and the silt that the floods wash onto the land enriches it. That's why river bank land is some of the richest land.

    The current flooding is similiar to the 1993 flooding. The damage is a lot less due to the government purchase of a lot of at risk land and turning it into natural flood plains. Spending billions of dollars building leeves to fight nature is not cost effective and actually causes damage.

    The issue with high food prices is not the current flooding but rather that the US grain reserves are empty and we are at the mercy of any problem.
     
    bogart, Jun 21, 2008 IP