I absolutely agree. Yeah, it appears North Korea is in limbo, India and Pakistan have also not signed the NPT. I guess that's a good question. Is the NPT a good thing or not? This is reasonable, but as uranium enrichment is also necessary for energy uses, do you think it is ethical for a country like Israel to be goading an America that quite clearly does not want to go to war with Iran (except some neocon chickenhawks in the executive)? I don't. I don't believe Israel should be using American blood and treasure to enforce it's regional agendas. A lot of what gets called anti-semitisim around here, is really just the resentment that intervention brings. The Israel's muck around in our foreign policy, we resent it. We muck around in other country's foreign policy, they resent us. The principle of non-intervention is very American. The right to privacy, freedom and to be left alone. And yet today, people are obsessed with Israel more than America, and have this disturbing post-imperial belief that ours is a global manifest destiny. Iran spends a tiny fraction of what we do on (sic) defense. They don't have much of an air force or navy, and they know that any nuclear attack on the US would immediately seem them turned into a parking lot. They don't need "a nuke". They need about 40 nukes, and a delivery method, and that still isn't enough to keep them from being toasted by our nuclear subs, being nuked into extinction. In fact, I'd be more worried about the 100 missing suitcase nukes from when the Soviet Union collapsed. Those have been floating around for so long now, they could be anywhere, in anyone's hands. Those are a terrorist threat. Not Iran developing it's first nuke, 8 years from now.
i objected to the use of the term nuclear weapon. They have not even been able to advance enough to make uranium for energy and you are talking about weapon. the use of the term "nuclear weapon" is inflametory and has nothing to the reality on the ground.
Speaking about nuclear weapons is not inflammatory it is the crux of the issue. You are saying that Iran is not advanced enough to have weaponized uranium or made delivery systems today - and that is the point. Action must be taken prior to their obtaining either. Like I said before, I don't think that time is now, but certainly it is before they acquire that capacity.
I think we need to bring the temreature down. There is no weapon program. why are we talking about a weapon program that is not there at all. we need to talk with them to make sure we can monitor their research within the IAEA framework. If they start a weapon program then we can talk hard or take appropiate action. Our policy now is causing unnecesary tension and is counterproductive.
I am not comfortable relying on your lay opinion that there is no Iranian weapons program. That is all that is, your opinion. I am sure you base it on released public information - you have to acknowledge that you are not privy to information on Iran's nuclear capacity. Nobody is looking to attack an empty building for no reason. However, if Iran is attempting to acquire nuclear weapons we would be foolish to wait too long before acting. The IAEA has not been able to determine if Iran's nuclear program is peaceful or not. That does not mean it is peaceful as you seem to conclude. That you conclusively decide Iran is peaceful when the IAEA has not said that same thing is just your attempt to minimize and color the risk so it fits your position. The true nature of Iran's nuclear program is unclear. You call this "our policy", but it is the policy of Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia and the United States that Iran not acquire nuclear weapons capability and suspend its enrichment program. Why are you playing this silly game that we can't discuss it until it is too late. Get real. Now is precisely the time to talk about it and think about it. If we wait until Iran is actively and openly working on a weapons program that would be a failure on the worlds part.
You forget the NIE. It is the opinion of US inteligence services. yet there are some people that choose to ignore it. Why? Whose opinion is better and more reliable? I am not saying that we should not talk about it, but to talk about it in the context of reality rather than inuendo and baseless acusation. And we must try the easiest and shortest path to success. Why an't we try to get a good and reliable monitoring of their nuclear facilities. maybe even a permanent presence.
It Is Like Committing Suicide To Believe That Iran Is Not After The Nuclear Bomb. Why Is There No Plan For Peaceful Usage Yet, But Working Full Steam On The Enrichment? Not Even A Single Power Plant Or Blueprints Of It Exists Except That What Was Offered From Europe For Free If They Would Change To A Light Reactor. For The Materials Used By These Reactors Are Not Suitable For Making A Bomb.
you do not know anything about their program. just speculating. it seems that they do want to make nuclear plants http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/24/2127095.htm as to why they are making this kind over the other kind, i would say because they got their hand on this type's plan and tech info. any way an agreement to monitor their activity might be a more succesful approach to preventing them from making a weapon program. at least it would give enough time to try to become more friendly with them. also i do not think anything is offered for free. link?
Dude, do your homework. Check all the NASDAQ 100 companies, check who controls the companies listed on the DJIA (and abroad). Who controls formula 1? Who bought Manchester United? Who drew the "Danish" cartoons? Who invented porn? Who is profiting from porn? Who is in the Council of Foreign Affairs? Who created the FED in 1913 and is still controlling America today? Who has deliberatly devaluated the Deutsche Mark 60 years ago, bought it up and profited from it once it stabilized? Who is controlling the USA today and is doing the same with the dollar? Who is controlling the World Bank, IMF? Who created and profited from the crash in 1929? Who is controlling the world, sir? I would appreciate a more elaborate answer than those 7 words. Perhaps not all DP mods are from NY, the capital of the Jews. Perhaps DP allows both sides of the story...
Israel cannot afford to lose even a single war without exposing its population to genocide and its nationhood to politicide. Wars waged against Israel are wars of extermination that target its cities and population centers. Its enemies are seeking its total destruction. Alan Dershowitz Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will remember; and I will remember the land. Leviticus 26:42
Perhaps nobody gives a shit about you and your posts. Or perhaps you already were infracted. I don't really care. I think you make enough of an ass of yourself, that I am content to just sit back and watch. With each new post you appear more ignorant, more bigoted, and yes, antisemetic. At least you will always have ThraXed and swaymedia to call your friends and support your idiotic paranoid Jew hating assertions.
two gods in one post . impressive. But this is a political discussion. if you want to look at it from religious point of view. there is a tread about rabbis that talks about why israel is against the word of god.[according to hassidim rabbis]
Not one word about the content of my previous post? How surprising. I know, it's difficult to deny it. That's what Jew-loving Arabs-hating warmongering 2-figure IQ Americans do when you tell the truth. They get angry. Funny post!
It was ignorant and lacked logic. Do you feel better now? Did you get the attention you crave? Aside from that, I don't really care if you hate Jews. I don't care if you think a Jewish CEO somehow makes an entire public company a Jewish tool. I don't care if you think a Jewish person can't own anything or run anything without it being part of some Jewish control of the world. I guess by that logic since some companies are run by Christians, and some by Hindus, and some by Muslims, that they all run the world too. Do you realize how foolish you are?
Are you going to respond to my previous post? The NIE last year said the intelligence all along has been wrong, and the Iranians halted their program in 2002. That is pretty substantial. Have you looked into how much time it will take them to get to weapons capacity? Last estimates I heard, it was years. Surely there is a lot of time for diplomacy, and Iran has asked the US repeatedly to meet at the negotiating table to normalize relations. This is true. Unlike Iraq, we need to have the debate now. Because attacking another country on bad intelligence or with government fear propaganda will absolutely destroy any remaining credibility America has left in the world. Already, international forces are starting to gain sympathy for war crimes indictments for Bush, Rumsfeld, as well as international inquiry into 9/11. The last thing we want is for the world to turn against us, and start trying us for crimes.
I am not sure where we differ here. I think more intelligence and a public debate are needed along with a healthy dose of diplomacy once the Bush admin is out of office. I agree that what I know of the NIE would suggest we have more time for diplomacy.