The Muslims aren't fighting for their freedom. They are fighting for the right to conquer and enslave Israel. Perhaps this will help... We are not asking you to ignore history, we are asking you to accept it. Accept that your people killed a lot of Jews and that the Jews killed a lot of your people. Accept that what is done is done. Accept that time heals all wounds. Accept that life is more important than death. Accept that it is time for you to live and time for your children to live. Do you drink? If not, your chances of meeting an Irishman are pretty slim.
a selling line i used a long time ago i don't see any big problem. let me see what i can do. and then introduce your counter offer, it minimizes the tension and you have not said no. it worked a lot better than sorry no i can't do that
Palestinians are fighting for their freedom. They are fighting against israeli occupation of their homeland.
The Muslims own a bunch of land that used to belong to the Jews. The Jews own a bunch of land that used to belong to the Israelis. Give it up. That's a stupid argument. If you refuse to compromise, you will never have peace. It's difficult for a rational person to see why you can't suffer the Jews to continue to live in peace. Your team has won 99.99% of the land. It would be merciful of you to let a few "people of the book" live in peace.
. Can you re-post it again It is not asking for peace, it is like threatening , it sounds like this : if you not obey us ( or israel) then israel has right to do whatever wants And israel is doing what ever wanting, This year in Gaza killed more than 630 ppls, of course muslims ( some of you can relax) I will meet Irish, if I will visit Ireland, I hope they are "dumb" as you say
ziya, imad: Do you want peace or do you want to conquer Israel? Plain and simple. Will you accept peace with Israel still in existence?
First,sorry to burst your bubble but Muslims are not my "team". And even my "team" lost land to Muslims but that was a long time ago and as you like to say "learn to forgive and forget and move on" so I and my "team" did that and moved on. Second, I agree with you that you have to compromise to archive peace but ONLY in some cases. Based on recent history of my country you don't have to compromise. You only need to fight for right cause and,of course, to defeat your enemy and that's it. You need to compromise in dificult situations like that one in ME but as I can see Israelis are not ready to compromise. Third, if you go back in history Jews are INVADERS on what they today call Israel so argument that they have right on that land because they were first there is false. Fourth, it's not about Muslims Vs. Jews, it's about Palestinians fighting for their freedom. Why do you always (and all other pro-Israelis) to show that conflict so simple, almost black&white while it isn't.
I'm really ashamed that someone like yourself is Irish and I'm sure a lot of other people in Ireland would share my view. It got us a lot of things and from what you've said above you really know fuck all about this island. I'll assume your an Irish American.
So you want to find "The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." and give the land back to them? You do realize, of course, that the Muslims aren't any of those people...
Oh yeah thats a good idea. Blow a country to bits for building a weapon which could blow a continent to bits. Iran wont stop their nuclear program. Simple as that.
If we do find those people would you agree that it would be a bit dificult to gave them their land back, wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't it be a bit dificult to give land in North America back to natives? You do realize, of course, that Muslims are religious group and that their religion is younger than those nations and in theory there may be Muslim The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
USA have 50 states, give the smallest one to red Indians, let them live there, they suffered a lot, do you know how many million red Indian died in the holocaust? check, they are lot more than 6 million, they have a very strong cause, let them have it, and have 150 nuclear war heads, and shut up if Arabs supported them. Europe, Christianity, have many countries, why they did not give them Vatican, or Lichtenstein, instead of taking this long trip. any person would accept peace that is based on justice, not the peace that is based on strong swallowing the weak, just because they can, I speak on behalf myself, but I think 60 years is too short for Palestinians to get tired, bet on the next generation, to be smarter than my generation as Israel had a bet on my generation to forget, after the old generation die.
Exactly my point. Thanks for coming around. Arabs, who started Islam and spread it to conquered people, are none of those people. That's not going to happen either. Move on. The Irish aren't getting back their land. The Indians aren't getting back their land. The Germans aren't getting back Austria. Israel is not getting back all of their land. The Muslims are not getting back all of their land -- including Spain. Land has changed "ownership" too many times. Every piece of land has many "rightful" owners at different points in time. It's a meaningless discussion. As you are completely unwilling to live in peace, I have very little sympathy for you. You will not allow others the simple right to live in peace. That makes you a very bad man. You will not give Israel back their land which the Muslims now hold and yet you demand that Israel give up all of their land which was at one time held by the Muslims. You're not looking for justice, you're looking for domination. Fairness would be to allow the Jews to live, to let them keep the tiny portion of ground which they live on. I see that you are not interested in fairness. You will not be happy without total victory. Sorry buddy, I have no sympathy for you. You won't accept peace, so you do not deserve peace.
But yet you simply can't see what the real problem in ME... Land changed "owners" so many times in history that it is so dificult to give land back to rigtful owners and ME conflict is live proof of it for last 60+ years and you agree with that and yet you day after day after day try to paint that conflict as big bad Muslims wants to kill poor little Jews! Arabs are Arabs and I didn't claimed that those nations were Arabs: You do realize, of course, that Muslims are religious group and that their religion is younger than those nations and in theory there may be Muslim The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
How could you paint it any other way. What do we have? We have people and land. One group holds 99% of the land, the other group holds 1% of the land. The group with 1% is saying "We just want to be left alone to live in peace. Please quit murdering us." The group with 99% is saying "We are going to keep killing you until we have 100% of the land." It is difficult, if not impossible, for a rational person to side with the Muslims in that exchange. My natural inclination is to side with the folks who simply want to live in peace, not with the folks who want to murder them and take their land.
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I heart Ireland. Down here we have these stone walls all over the place built by Irish immigrants about 200 years ago without mortar. Just stacked stones and they are still everywhere. Too bad we didn't treat those immigrants better...