Israel preparing to attack Iran...

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  1. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #161
    You have not answered my question about holocaust.

    how and why it will bring me death ?
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #162
    important but should not be preventive of the future
    look at my image the blue lines are from past to now and the green line is from now to future. no matter what was the path of the past we can choose our own future
     

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  3. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #163
    So the reason why we are in this position today , the roots of it came from past. You can not solve problem ignoring the past.

    You have posted in past your above post, and the past made me post this post. Your past some how made you read this post
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #164
    it has nothing to do on where we are going to go. only thing important is where we are and where we want to go. just like driving. where you are coming from has nothing to do with where you want to go.past is past dust in the wind. don't delete it out but put it in the history
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #165
    But I will learn about it from you? Puleeze.

    What next, you gunna tell me that Obama is Osama because he claims to be for peace? You can't keep track of your half truths.

    I'm far from xenophobic. The only thing really ignorant that I do, is reply to you and some others on this forum. Other than that, every day is a mission to gain knowledge, insight and wisdom.
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #166
    The way of the past is the way of death. The way of the future is life.

    This is not just for you, but for all of mankind.

    Thinking about this, I am reminded of my own ancestors.

    I'm Irish. My ancestors are some of the dumbest people on Earth. Other than a few writers, the Irish have produced almost nothing meaningful in their entire recorded existence.

    When the British came to our island, we fought them. What did that get us? It got us nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

    We fought for hundreds of years, but the reality is that the British have always been more socially advanced than us.

    Ireland looks pretty peaceful right now, and I hope it stays that way -- but we have a bad track record.

    Should the Irish forget the past and move on, or should we get back to our senseless and pathetically inept was against our British neighbors?

    I know my vote. I vote for life. I vote for peace. I vote for the future.

    My recommendation to you is to do the same. Move on. Get over it. Your ancestors killed a lot of people. A lot of people tried to kill your ancestors. And yet, here you are. Say a prayer of thanks and then get on with building a better world for your children.
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #167
    You have the attention span of a fruit fly.

    I've told you repetitively now that you are too stupid for me to waste my time teaching.

    I've told you repetitive to go to Islamist Watch and read the writings of your allies. Read what the have to say in their own words.

    You appear to be having a lot of trouble reading anything that isn't on your cults approved reading list.
     
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    imad Peon

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    #168
    pizzaman, I understand what you mean in that its important to think peace, but to think peace we also should think in the past, it was 2000 years old past that expelled and killed Palestinians, under lame claim, that if we want to be just, then red Indians should expel the Europeans descendants who invaded them 500 years ago, and Arabs should claim Spain, and England should claim France.

    why its only the Palestinians who should forget a 60 years of suffer that did not stop in 1948 but started in 1948 until now? So many of them still living miserably in refugees camps since 1948 till this moment, in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria.

    Even those who managed and re-established and living a good life, won't forget, call them Islamists (sp), call them peace haters, violent, they been called all names, but they have rights, that they will never give up no matter how big the pressure was on them to give them up.
     
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    #169
    That's not even a good analogy.

    Thank you for this.

    I'm not going to some anti-Muslim propaganda site. It's not even relevant to me, because unlike you, I'm not scared of being attacked by Muslim boogeymen at night.

    If you mean, I don't read fascist pro-war propaganda, or pro-state socialist propaganda, then yeah. I usually avoid reading crap like that. That Fort Tyranny site for example. Mostly neocon garbage.
     
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    #170
    What a close-minded bigot!

    You're afraid to read anything that might disagree with you.

    You really are the biggest sissy-boy I've ever met.
     
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    #171
    Doesn't that statement prove to you how ridiculous the notion of living in the past really is?

    One, everyone must forgive and forget. Your team has been absolutely barbaric in murdering Jews, Christians, Hindus, and -- mostly -- each other.

    Worse, the governments of countries like Jordan and Syria are to be blamed for keeping people in refugee camps for decades. They should have accepted their Arab brothers and sisters and integrated them into society. Instead, they keep them like cattle.

    I forget who said this originally, but it makes a lot of sense:
    If you can't make peace with your enemies, who can you make peace with?
    imad, you must be either willing to forgive and forget or you are dooming your children to live a life that is no better than your own. If you love your children you will accept peace now, for their sakes.
     
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    #172
    I'm not interested in reading anything you recommend after your blatantly racist comments today. Also, your attacks on Obama by implying he is Osama for wanting to end a bad war, an illegal war shows just how twisted and dangerous your thinking really is. On the one hand you say Muslims are peaceful, then on the other hand, you try to use Islam as a pejorative against the Democrat candidate.
     
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  13. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #173
    Even a doctor beside checking a pateint current wealth he is checking the medical history of a patient too. In court system checking crime history . Even in football checking team history , it helps sometime to make some decisions

    I dont know will other Irish ppls agree with you that your ancesters were the dumbest ppl or not
     
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    #174
    The purpose of a doctor is to help a patient get better -- to move on past his illness.

    This is what you are refusing to do -- to heal.

    The popularity of an idea bears no relation to it's truth.

    Have you ever met an Irishman? Have you ever met a sober Irishman? :rolleyes:
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #175
    i do not say forget about your past , just don't let it stand infront of your future. I am going to be a little hard on you now. the reality is that you were the weaker of the two nations interested in a piece of land. and you have lost a lot of land. This is not going to change.US is not going to stop supporting israel. The real concern for your people at this point in history should be a way to start your country again and improve the life of your people. you should talk about plans of what you want to do. how you are going to be as an independent nation and how to be successful. What you need and how to get it. That approach is harder because it matters and it can change things. Talking about past changes nothing and time is lost.
     
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    imad Peon

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    #176

    are you blaming Jordan and Syria for expelling the Palestinians?
    ever heard about the right of self-determination?

    Why did not USA & Europe (since the beginning) open their doors for the Jewish people, and blamed the "cruel" Arabs for not opening their doors for the Jews despite they sheltered 600,000 of them before they say: "that's enough were are those who are crying at Jews! why don't they help?"

    Because I love my children and my people I won't accept peace as seen from one side which is the Israeli, the same kind of peace Saddam wanted after occupying Kuwait, and that Hitler wanted after invading Europe.
     
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    #177
    in this case we have 60 years of history that it does no good
     
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    #178
    Have it your way. I hope the next generation is smarter than yours.

    If my people were as dumb as you, I would be sitting in a tenement in Belfast right now, trying not to screw up the process of RDX manufacture and planning my next elementary school bombing. Maybe the Irish aren't the dumbest people on the planet.
     
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    #179
    :rolleyes:
    Taking words out of context to change context...
    Other than insulting that's all you got.

    Edit: incredible! You even go back and edit your posts to add personal attacks and insults!

    Because I am coming from country which we wouldn't have without fighting for it all I can say is: fight them until you have your freedom.
     
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  20. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #180
    Doc can not ignore the past to heal. To get better doc need to know the roots of illness, the history of patient.

    The past, that is what you are refusing

    No I have not meet any Irishman.
     
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