many Americans are the worst with money...this is a crisis in the US

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  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #321
    So you're saying that government should not be doing anything not explicitly spelled out in the Constitution or Federalist Papers?

    I guess that means you are against defending Israel and trying to spread democracy overseas?
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #322
    That's a pathetic straw man argument. Try again.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #323
    Translation: little willy has nothing to say. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #324
    Talking to you idiots is like trying to explain economics to our housecats.

    Give me some better arguments and I'll respond to them.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #325
    Not at all. I'm asking you to explain exactly what you feel the government is empowered to do.

    Obviously, the Founders believed in a humble foreign policy, like the foreign policy of Ron Paul, where we talk, trade and have relations, but we do not dictate internal policy, or send young American men and women off to die in foreign wars that have no purpose towards our national defense.

    So again, can you please clarify, what role (specifically) should the government play, and how much funding does it need for that?
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #326
    Read Jefferson. I'm not going to waste time trying to educate you against your will.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #327
    It has never stopped us from talking to you. :rolleyes:

    Come on, tell us once again what a genius you are in economics and military strategy and how you constantly get high score in your empire building and military strategy video games.

    Go on, we missed you, I need the laugh. :D
     
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  8. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #328
    What about Patrick Henry? Washington?

    These guys didn't believe in going overseas and fighting for Israel, or trying to bring democracy to Vietnam.

    How do you justify a foreign policy that is not only unconstitutional, it's Un-American?

    Will, you've encouraged so many people to die, for what is obviously little to no gain, whether it is the Vietnamese still being communist, or the Taliban resurging in Afghanistan. All of the promises of freedom and enlightenment have passed for naught, all you have to show for your ideological positions are death, destruction and fear.

    Please, tell me. What can I do to make you whole again? What can I do to help you rejoin the human race as a productive and compassionate member?
     
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  9. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #329
    I am not opposed, but they are not equally germane.

    In addition, neither man was the intellectual giant that Jefferson was.

    I don't. If you would read for understanding, you would know better what is Constitutional and what it American.

    The Vietnamese people are enslaved today only because the effort to save them was sabotaged by fifth columnists like yourself.

    The Taliban are still fighting, but so were the Germans in 1943. Would you have quit in 1943?

    It time that you showed some compassion for your Vietnamese, Afghani, and Iraqi brothers and sisters whom you are cheerfully selling off into slavery.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #330
    Neither was the effete slave owning hypocrite Jefferson.

    So you're saying you can Constitutionally justify a standing army in 130 countries around the world? That's a good one. Show us.

    Totally untrue. The Vietnamese and the Chinese are slowly embracing Western values through trade, diplomacy and natural social evolution. Murdering 1 million Vietnamese wasn't the stepping stone to saving them Will. Bathing their babies in Agent Orange so they would grow up disfigured and handicapped even today, wasn't helping them progress as a people.

    When will people like you grow up and realize that war and death are evil? That the only possible "just war" is one of self-defense, and that trying to change people with violence is not only a Christian sin, it is immoral under almost every other creed and code?

    When will you abandon your wanton blood lust, racism and war mongering and return to the human race as a feeling, caring being?

    The Taliban were never our enemies. Another meaningless war, with meaningless bloodshed and more animosity, Spencerian Racism and ethnic division.

    I'm not a sanctimonious self-promoter like some here (see "international businessmen"), but I contribute and I participate. I'd like to think I am making a difference.

    While you make racist comments about black Americans, I try to post about overbearing state power, the evils of war, and the horrors of genocide. I'd like to think that my offline activities whether it's donations of time/money, or how I live my life reflects the same social conscience.

    Which makes me wonder what a war monger does offline? Didn't you say boxing and playing war in the forest with your militia? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

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    #331
    You are arguing that Jefferson was not the intellectual giant that Jefferson was.

    Seriously dude, put down the pipe.


    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
    If it were up to you and your poisoned ilk, the entire world would be under the boot of Nazi Germany, but (if you were still alive) you would feel "morally right" about not preventing the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.

    You must have been stoned on 9/11.

    Were you also stoned during their entire time we were negotiating with the Taliban after 9/11 in order to try and make the invasion unnecessary?

    You are working hard to make the world safe for oppression and tyranny.

    I hope that helps you sleep well at night.

    You assertion that I have made any racist comments is a lie and you are a liar for stating it.

    Do you support tyranny and oppression in your offline life as much as you do on DP?
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #332
    So tell us little willy how do you fight the oppression with exception of playing war games on your computer and running on the weekends with other ridiculous chicken hawks in a camp ground in Oregon? :rolleyes:

    I mean you don't want to confuse people with your "brave" posts to believe that you actually participate in the war and fight instead of hiding under your bed, do you? :rolleyes::D
     
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    #333
    You're dodging the argument.

    This is total rubbish and the historical record has been slowly updated to reflect this.

    As General Smedley Butler, the greatest marine ever (not some international forum posting businessman who likes to play army in the woods with his militia buddies) said, "War is a racket". It is fought for the profit of the few.

    Hitler would never have risen to power if not for Versailles, not to mention that we supported Stalin, who turned out to be an even bigger butcher and animal.

    You need to grow up.
    I don't smoke marijuana. I don't even smoke cigarettes anymore.

    I was angry after 9/11, but emotion gives way to facts. 9/11 has not been properly investigated, and now the EU and UN have started to mumble about international investigation into what happened that day

    I've met Pushtoons from that region. I probably know more about Afghanis, their culture, lifestyle and country than you ever will. Don't lecture me on the Taliban. Not when we just let Bin Laden escape at Tora Bora. Those people have resisted and bravely fought against the heel of imperialism, whether it was American or Soviet.

    I don't sleep well, because there are a lot of evil, racist war mongers out there to counteract and drive from the town square.

    But yes, I do try to make the world a better place, a place without rampant militarism, police statism, but a place where people can live free and interact with one another voluntarily, without constant threat of violence.

    If you want to make the world safe Will, you want to end violence, and every knows that violence begets more violence.

    Will, you've posted hate speech literally hundreds of times on this forum. It's out there for anyone to read. Your record is not one of taking the high ground, or exercising morals and compassion.

    It's calls for hate, fear, murder and destruction.

    That's a silly question. Unlike you, I stand by my posts.
     
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    #334
    I'm dodging the argument that Jefferson wasn't the intellectual giant that Jefferson was?

    Seriously dude, it's impossible to talk to you when you are in this state.

    Put down the pipe, take a few hours off, and come back to DP later.

    Standing by your record of support for tyranny and oppression is not something of which you should be proud.
     
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    #335
    No, that there is a Constitutional mandate for foreign interventionism.

    Please provide it to back up your claims.

    My record and position is clear. I have laid out a clear path of being anti-state, anti-war and pro free markets.

    You on the other hand have a record of hundreds of hate posts. I don't attack religions, you do. I don't attack ethnic groups, you do. And I don't post racist attacks, you do.

    Are you proud of your posts?
     
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    #336
    Will plays army now? I thought he had bad knees?
     
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    #337
    He must have forgotten about his previous excuses about why he doesn't participate in the war when he posted the link to his "militia" group. But to be fair to him, what kind of a knee will you need in order to sit next to camp fire, drink beer, open your big mouth with racist remarks about inferior races and make yourself feel like a "man"? :rolleyes::D
     
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    #338
    Training is everyone's responsibility, regardless of their physical condition.

    I was at a shooting class recently with a deaf guy. His interpreter had to stand in front of all of us to sign and then move out of the way quickly before firing began. Luckily she was a good sport about the whole thing.

    I felt pretty old that weekend, but another class participant was well into his 70's and he was doing his part. Hell, one of the instructors was a Vietnam veteran.

    So, although I'm not in any condition to go active duty -- for a variety of reasons -- that does not free me from my obligations under Title 10 Section 311 of the United States Code.

    If you seriously want to learn more, visit Militia Net for the straight facts.
     
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    #339
    Reasons:

    1- being scared
    2- being chicken
    3- being sissy
    .....

    On top of everything else, it is difficult to serve while hiding under the bed and not being able to stand up. :rolleyes::D
     
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    #340
    gworld:

    You are a complete moron with nothing to contribute to any rational conversation.
     
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