Lebanese President Calls for Ending Occupation of Shibaa Farms and Kafr Shuba Hills

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If ever had history classes, other than reading zionist propaganda, you should know few things and with posting such nonsense you showing us how much you "know" about history.
Funny how you ask for proof that Israel wants to grab more land but you don't provide any proof for your claims and all you do is attacking members that doesn't agree with your "knowledge" of history and extremism.

You compare Arab countires with Hitler?
Ok, let's check the history facts:
The Holocaust - this is extermination of Jews and these are numbers:

Got anything similar to show us from Arab countires so that you can back up your claims? I would like to see anything similar from any of Arab or Muslim countires so that you can claim that Muslims or Arabs wanted to exterminate all Jews. All I can see that only christians were more than willing to help nazis to exterminate all Jews.
Also, please provide proof that pizzaman represent genocide. Anyone on this forum knows what pizzaman preaches all the time so your claim is more than hilarious.

Second, you claim that zionists stole land to "protect innocent lives of peaceful people"... All I can say is LMAO!
If you know history you should know that from very start of zionist movement they clearly said what land they will take in Palestine. It was way before single shot was fired and way before single bomb exploded in Palestine. And those "peaceful" people used terrorism to archive their goal. Zionist political violence

They even killed their own innocent civilians to archive their goala!

Also, those very same "peaceful" people were mostly targeting Brits while Brits were fighting against Hitler! King David Hotel bombing
And they didn't even spare people who came to help them to archive peace: Count Folke Bernadotte of Wisborg

Zionist showed map of "their" Israel at Paris Conference in 1919. (way before single bullet was fired!):

See any similarity to todays Isralies borders? And you claim that they stole land to protect innocent lives? Doesn't seems like that at all...

So they showed map but there was like twice as many Palestinians than Jews at that territory. Can you imagine jewish state with Palestinian majority? It's a bit of problem for Jews,right?
Zionists didn't even try to hide what's their "solution" for that "problem": 'Transfer' (Ethnic Cleansing) Zionist Quotes

And the result of what they all talked about?
1948 Palestinian exodus
Should we say ethnic cleansing? Oh yeah! It's "protecting the peaceful people of Israel"...

Other that attacking people you should try to back up your claims with facts sometimes. Just for a change, ya know.

 

israelis do not like the one state solution. i like to always put it on the table because you guys can both agree on that.

what has changed is the entrance of iran in the equation. i think there is a peace agreement possible and will actually happen. the problem is just the extremists ability on both side to reject it. i want the average people on both side to push their reps to look for inovative and out of the box solutions . i actually have ideas on how to resolve some of the sticky points.
as far as what getting the arab leaders to do something then go ahead it will take you another 60 years.
why don't you get them to come with israelis in and survey the area make a map and have the plans ready for housing. jobs and other issues. they could present a vision of what they want palestain to look and work. i recommend a good infrastructure for tourism as a good source of income. but a design on how they can house 7 to 10 million people is very important.
you have to show the world what you vision for your land is and sell it like any other project.

you are trying to change the past. you have to live with them just like they have to live with you. the only choice is peace or war.

 

But history has not changed. Zionism has not changed, they still kill, destroy, building houses on occupied lands and so on. I am sorry pizzaman It is too hard to get peace with zionist regime

 

its always hard to make peace with enemy. just harder to make war

 

But history has not changed. Islam has not changed, they still kill, destroy, building houses on occupied lands and so on. I am sorry, It is too hard to get peace with Islamic regime
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I take it you would not have a problem with someone expressing the above opinion? That is exactly how you sound.

 

pizzaman understood what i mean. Zionism is not religion. Not every Jews are Zionist

 

see pizzaman what I mean, those unthankful people had their golden era under Islamic rule while they been executed in the West, and now they want to change history so it was Islam who did this to Jews not the West,

makes the person only regret that Islam treated them in a different way than in Europe.

 

i agree we have to past the shouting match and make our leader negotiate based on finding solutions. hell they should make a blog on what is happening so they can not get bugged down on stupidity. and if they have a point they can not solve then let the rest of the world know. maybe bill gates can come up with an idea.

he just changed zionist to muslems in the ziyas post. he has a point here and i also accept blame for not speaking up against it.
i think Zionists are no different in negotiations than anyone else. actually the less religion is involved the better it is

 

But Islam is not the problem, Jews and Muslims have been living happily for hundreds of years, the problems only started when Zionism came. Coincidence?

 

he changed Zionists to Islam, political movement to religion
the comparison is not valid, while what Ziya said is 100% true and supported with proofs since the Zionist movement was established till now,

Islam treated Jewish people in a good way while they been executed in Europe.

which is another low attempt by browntwn to divert the discussion to somewhere else, Muslims did not have problems with Jews till the Zionist movement started to send waves of immigrants illegal to Palestine under the big lie slogan "a land without people for people without a land"

such faking for history, has never stopped even in browntwn posts, Palestinians had the right to resist the projects that calls for their expel from their own historical lands, what right has the Zionists in Palestine?

i will be happy to show what Zionism movement said and did since it started, feel free to show what Islam did to Jewish since it started, and discuss each incident, no matter how long will it take us, then we will see, who is the aggressor who thinks he is above all other human beings, bring your Talmud or Torah, bring Quran and Hadith, feel free to post whatever you want from either, that if you have the courage to do so,

if you can't browntwn, you should stop your disgusting implies and tries to fake history.

 

being bigoted is bad against any group of people. not just only religion.
neither palestanian nor israelis are doing anything other than any other person would do. One of the the effects of this prolonged war on the israelis have been this anxiety that they have. It is legitimate and an issue that palestanians must deal with if they want peace. Each side has to try to see it from the other side and try to remove the obstacles in front his enemy toward peace.

i miss the point. how is this helping to find a solution that is acceptable to both side. i do not want to play who is to blame. I think we have given that school of thought 60 years to succed

 

peace with such terrorists is impossible, they won't hesitate to do anything to achieve their goals, even if it was killing their own people as they did so many times before, of course they will have no moral embarrassments to bash others beliefs because simply they have no morals,

I m very interested to see what would a person like browntwn have to say about Islam and its treatment to Jews since it started till now.

 

Well you have to play who is the blame to get to the core of the problem, we know who the problem is, so do you and so does everyone else but everyone is afraid to say something because they will be called anti semetic by people like 'brother browntwn'.

The fact is, if the Israelis wanted peace, they would of had it by now, the amount of ceasfires and peace deals they have turned down or tried to manipulate is rediculous, to be honest, everyone is fed up with these murderers and if there is peace, unfortunatley i feel it will be temporary.

Some of Imad's family got shot dead by the IOF, is he a terrorist? Is he to blame? What did he do to deserve it?

 

It is not only me who is agaisnt zionism. There are Jews outside and maybe inside (israel ) who are against zionism and zionist regime. They are not muslims they are Jews . There are (were ) soldiers who are against occupations, invasions, destroying , killing ( by zionist regime ) inside israeli army

 

both side is very eager to play the blame game, both are very good at it. but this is where your leaders are stuck also. if you want to find a solution to live with the israelis in peace then you must pass the hurt and anger and the rest of your anxioties just like israelis do

zionists are the enemies of palestanians and palestanians are the enemies of israelis. they are at war and when at war people kill and destroy each other. There is nothing unusual here. at a point, when they are tired of war they make peace with people that hate them and wished they were all dead. have been tried numerous time and it works. This is what peace is about

nothing unusual. It happens in all wars.must find acceptable solutions to the differences. The problem is that people don't see any hope but i see from all the activity in the political news that there is something happening People that support peace have to start voicing their opinion and hope for the best. the extreemes are a much smaller group and their argument weak. must let the moderates vote be heared and peace becomes possible. In my opinion
a positive vision of palestine in the future as palestanian want it is badly needed.[at least i havent seen it]
like we want to build this here and that there. We need this many appartment here.we need a hospital there We want to start here and then go here and so on. This is just an example. You have to try to address the anxiety of the majority of israelis.

 

By that logic, should Afghanistan have to live with the Taliban?

 

no pointing finger and blaming is part of war not peace. you need to find compromises to make peace. Again i think there is a merging of the interest of a lot of arab govt against the increase of iranian influence This can be exploited to get a lot of money for the reconstruction of paleastanian areas.
There is a very narrow way for peace to succeed and the biggest problem is this blame game.

 

So why do Israel keep saying no to ceasfires and proposed peace deals?

 

i do not see taliban as an american problem but an afgani problem. i do see alqada as an international problem.
the rise of the taliban in afganestan was possible because of the support they recived from pakistan. they won their territory in wars against other afgani sects. not by popular demand and if they don't get outside help they will have the influence that is justified by their popularity. I can live with that

They have to make it look hard for their people .its easier to sell that way.
and they want to feel sure that hamas does not arm themselves. This is what is happening now but in general they are also very much in the blame game. the problem is on both side

i propose that there would be enough housing made in west bank and gaza for all the Palestinians that want to come back. these should be nice apts in exchange for their claim of other land. and pay for foreign donors. I am sure most of the people in refugee camps would be positive about this
this will take some time and will create a lot of hope and prosperity. jobs and so on.
also there should be one of these Macro banking systems be in place to help the small businesses grow.

 

I hope there will be an effective peace deal when Olmert gets kicked out (he will be kicked out soon) and i hope that the extremeists dont get in office after him.

Also why is Israel still building settlements in East Jerusalem?

Jerusalem has a problem right now with very few jobs available and Tel aviv has loads of problems with crime and gangsters, mabye a 2 state solution will be in Israels own interests to help business and drive some of it's internal problems away