Do you think Islam is violent or not?

So you just admitted nowhere in the Quran does it promote unprovoked violence, yet a few posts ago you said it did. Backtracking now are we?

 

lol... I am asking you if you might have an idea, as astudent of the Quran, which verses seem to confuse the imams and the madrassa teachers who preach violence stating it is in their Quran. You know, as they send their students into the streets to blow themselves and as many innocent by-standers apart. Someone is confused, it's either them or you, which one is it. I can, for instance, name anumber of verses in the Holy Bible which have caused so many grief because of bizarre interpretations. Which ones confound folks in the Quran?

 

Who? Which imams? Which students? You just made the mistake of saying, i can find verses that have caused grief in the bible so i must be able to do the same with the Quran. Wrong!

 

first you say its Quran:

then you say the Imams:

you are the one who seems confused, do you think the problem is in Quran verses, or in the Imams who teach Quran, or in both? what are you trying to say exactly?

 

Okay, let's do this again. Which verses in the Quran do the imams who are proponents of violence, and the teachers in these madrassas that spit out so many terrorists, time after time, which verses do you think they misunderstand when they promote violence using the same book that you are using while declaring that the Quran is a book of peace?

For instance, I can name one verse in the Holy Bible of the top of my head which has stymied so many and caused misunderstanding and, in the years long gone - even death to innocents - is the often misunderstood statement of Jesus that he comes with a sword.

The Bible is quite often misunderstood, sadly. But you state the Quran is only of peace when so many Islamic leaders are proponents of violence.

So, again, which verse or verses are they misunderstanding and why?

 

let me remind you that you are the one who is making claims here, therefore its you who needs to support it with proofs.

 

Okay, here we go again with a couple. Please explain what they mean if not violence:

5:36 The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12-13,17 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against God and His Apostle: If any contend against God and His Apostle, God is strict in punishment. ... It is not ye who slew them; it was God

9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

2:243-245 Didst thou not Turn by vision to those who abandoned their homes, though they were thousands (In number), for fear of death? God said to them: "Die": Then He restored them to life. For God is full of bounty to mankind, but Most of them are ungrateful. Then fight in the cause of God, and know that God Heareth and knoweth all things. Who is he that will loan to God a beautiful loan, which God will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is God that giveth (you) Want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return.

4:74 Let those fight in the cause of God Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

4:76-77 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared God: They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!

4:95-96 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- Ranks specially bestowed by Him, and Forgiveness and Mercy. For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

9:111 God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

62:6 Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to God, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful

Again, I do not know if these are the verses which the imams use to inspire young folk to blow themselves and all those innocent by-standers to bits. But I am curious which of the verses, such as the one you begged me to produce above, are being misinterpreted as not peaceful and how it is they are being misinterpreted.

Thank you

 

its getting boring really, if you been in the forums for a while, you will find that these verses been posted by so many, so many times, you can use the search feature on this forum to see them, and you can ask Islamic sources, and of course you can visit any anti-Islam site, and adopt their views and opinions, then go to spread them to others, but you should expect to be asked from where did you get these views,

the general rule in Islam that the fight, and war are only against who start it, "fight those who fight you" you can read this thread from the beginning, recent posts start from 387, before it its like 2 years old, feel free to make fun, insult, attack, whatever, if thats what you want, and if you want to know, you know how to do so too.

 

LOLOLOL.... I asked you three times not to make me have to post these verses from this book. And there are plenty more, but you refused to answer my question unless I posted posts from the Quran.

Well, I have and you remain silent on my question which I will ask again.

You state the Quran is a book of peace. Tell me then the verses that you think are misinterpreted by the imams and madrassa leaders and teachers who spit out young terrorists right and left only to have them blow themselves up killing not only themselves but as many innocent bystanders as they can in this act. Tell me which verse or verses have these imams and teachers confused as they send their youth to their death and homicidal act. Is it the verses above that state, for instance, that the muslem must "fight and slay the pagan wherever they find them" (9:5) or some other verse that they misinterpret as giving them permission to maim and murder, telling their students that it is sanctioned, condoned, or required in the Quran? Which verses do you think they misinterpret and how?

 

you did not come with something new as I thought you would, these verses and others been posted and answered before, many times, thats why its becoming boring to me, so whats the use in repeating the same over and over again when you can use the search feature and find your answers,

now I m still not sure what are you trying to say, whether you believe that the verses been misinterpreted? or that you believe that the verses themselves encourage terrorism and violence?

 

lol... Does your Quran change everyday? You want me to come with something new? Remember, you were the one who insisted on my giving Quran scripture. Well there they are. And since you are not sure what I am saying, let me state it again, because everyone else here seems to know what I am saying, maybe with practice you will understand, or by repitition you will simply stop avoiding an answer:

 

something new does not mean new Quran, it means something that have not been discussed at least in the past 7 days,

you first said, Quran teaches violence, then you said Imams misunderstood, or misinterpret Quran verses to teach violence, there is a big difference between both, would you please make your mind, and tell me what you believe, you are the one who is making claims, here, first about Quran, then about Imams, you posted the verses, but you did not say, whether you think they teach terrorism/violence, or that you believe that can be misinterpreted?

so make your mind now, and tell me what are you trying to say, hopefully its clear for you now.

 

You asked for a quote from the Quran, I started out by stating I did not want to reporduce what is all too common knowledge but you insisted. You say something new has not been posted in the past seven days. I thought the Quran was eternal? Never changing. Etc etc...

You are avoiding the question like all radical muslems. I am done with you. More circle jerk, nothing of substance.

 

you made two opposite claims without proving any, first Quran teaches hates/violence, then changed it to say imams misinterpret Quran to teach hate, so I found it important to ask you to make your mind,

then back you turned to Quran, by posting verses from which I understood that you believe Quran teaches hate and violence, those verses been discussed a lot before on this forum and by simply pasting one in google you will get many sites, Islamic and anti-islamic so you can read both and judge yourself,

then you "interpreted" what I said, as new Quran, before you support your claims about imams,

and now I became a radical Muslim for trying to know what are you trying to say, from this, I understand that the problem is not in Quran, or Imams but in you

have a nice one

 

imad was talking new posts on DP . He have not posted about new Quran. Quran is eternal, Quran was never changed ,.

 

Man, that's all they do is circle jerk!

The quran says kill innocent pagans where ever you find them.

The hidith says many other things to that effect but, these guys say none of it means that, or its the wrong translation, to where else does it say it.

And when more verses get posted they say the same thing again.

Circle jerk is the perfect word for it.

 

I do oppose Sharia law, that in my mind, seems like a lot of violence in the name of religion. I do like some of the muslims that I have met on here though, obviously they are not all that way.

 

it took you very long to answer a very simple question about 4 verses from bible if they were wrong or right, you are the one who is doing circle jerk,

you should have pointed dead corn to the discussion, and tell him this have been discussed recently btw so we do not "circle jerk"

 

There are so many of them posted in older threads. I am sure GTech has a stack of them handy, and I am sure he as most are bored with reheating the same shit again and again.