Olmert to urge U.S. attack on Iran

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  1. ThraXed

    ThraXed Peon

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    #41
    What makes them fanatic? Ahmedinejad is not related or connected to the IRG, and as far as I know the guards don't get involved in political issues, what made you come to the conclusion that they are fanatical bro?
     
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    #42
    those who doubt in the ability of IDf, you don't understand something: an active army can't win guerrilla. it's never ending story, we saw this in many cases: Vietnam war, Iraq war, Lebanon second war, and a lot more cases. how come USA army, the strongest army in the world, couldn't defeat bunch of people with very primitive weapons? no one can, it's never ending war.
    but against active army, IDF is lethal, you saw this in 1956, 1967, 1973. in a war between Iran and Israel, even with the help of Syria, IDF will crash them in few days. if it's look like bullshit to you, wait a little bit and watch this yourself.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #43
    Israel won in the 6 day war convincingly. It is undeniable that the Israeli Army is well trained and well equipped. But Syrian and Iranian armies aren't the armies of old, they do improve as well and they had acquired modern weaponry from the Russians. This time round I guess they would need the air power of the Americans if they are going to fight a war with Iran.

    BTW Israel had always depend on USA military aid, without it do you think they can be so strong?

     
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    #44
    Why would the US defend Israel at all costs?
     
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    #45
    Giving papers to 13 yo boys that promised them heaven should they die and using them as cannon fodder in the Iran and Iraq war does struck me as fanatics.

     
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    #46
    Why did you not provide a source? :confused::)

    Also, that war ended 18 years ago. If we were to judge people on actions from that long ago then the USA is the most fanatical, crazy and terrorist nation on the planet.
     
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  7. wisdomtool

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    #48
    when you quote, its expected to quote from a reliable source, not a source that in its turn quoted from MEMRI the propaganda organization that been proved many times for "mistranslates" or cherry-pick their videos,

    when a war is between two armies then its mostly that the army with better equipments and weapons will win the fight, but it does not mean that they will win the war, a good example is what happens now in Iraq, USA got the courage to attack the Iraqi army after 12 years under siege, and with old weapons, but their staying in Iraq is expensive in both, finance, and reputation, and they are not able to get themselves out from this situation, they the Iraqis are resisting, and a withdrawal now will be a declaration of defeat.

    which in other words mean, the one who has stronger cause, will win, those who fight in Iraq did not fall into the American lies as the Americans did, and saw in this invasion an aggression and they are willing to give their souls to resist it, not for personal profit or salary or a video clip to show to their girlfriends, they are very aware in advance that they will die and most likely nobody will know about them, something that is very hard for the Westerners to understand, so they follow their assumptions in a try to find answers, which will set them more deeper in their ignorance about the region and its people.
     
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    #50
    The Israeli army is heavy on armor. Israel has approx 4,000 tanks and another 11,000 armored vehicles.

    It will be hard for Israel to take out all the Iranian nuclear sites due the fidtncr,
     
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    #51
    if we will attack them, it's will be from the air. we will not send heavy armor due the distance.
    what is fidtncr?
     
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    #52
    Israel suffered from Hezbollah missile attacks, I believe Iran can inflict far more damage than what Hezbollah can. An air attack will just be an invitation for tit for tat.

    Israel holds air supremacy so I don't expect Iranian air force to be able to penetrate Israel airspace but they have sufficient missiles to make life miserable.

     
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    #53
    The biggest mistake you can do in a time of war is to underestimate your opponent. Just look at the Iraq war. It will be a mistake for both sides to assume the lesser of each other. In this day and age where both sides posses some lethal weaponry it would be fullish to start anything.
     
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    #54
    you wrong my friend.
    Hezbollah fired small rockets that Israel still can't intercept.
    Israel can intercept Iran's rockets with the best system in the world for this: "Hetz System" made in Israel. and Patriot rockets as backup.
    moreover, Hezbollah launchers were small and compact. IDF can destroy Iran rocket launchers from the air.
     
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    #55
    Sure! What makes you think that Iran can't fire 10k small rockets every day into Israel?

    Also have you heard of mobile rocket launchers? Iranian military aren't stupidly positioning themselves to be wipe out in a first strike by Israel.

     
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  16. Ohad

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    #56
    are you kidding? the small rockets have range of maximum few hundreds kilometers. they can't launch it from Iran. even if Hizbollah will fire them those rockets hitting random targets, they can't do damage to IDF's facilities.
     
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    #57
    The end results of a war is still the same. Death and destruction. The whole point is to avoid war all together not prepare for it. But war is big business so you will always have those blood sucking greedy bastards that want war.
     
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  18. wisdomtool

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    #58
    Precisely, I am sick of those talks trumpeting war thinking that the other side will not respond in kind.

     
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    #59

    iran can fire off a quick missile round and then israels freinds ether pop over the atlantic and bomb them or israel delivers a atomic bomb on their heads - either way iran is outclassed
     
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    #60
    I prefer to get their wretched respond then do nothing and get nuclear bomb on my head few years later.
     
    Ohad, Jun 8, 2008 IP