Olmert to urge U.S. attack on Iran

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  1. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #21
    where did i say that.
    read the article.
    is israel pushing USA into iran war ?
    are you pushing USA into iran war ?
    i think attacking iran is the biggest strategic disaster for both israel and US in the medium and long term.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #22
    Iran wants to negotiate with the US. They have been trying for several years.

    The US refuses to meet with Iran, until they "stop weapons development". Which is so much crap, because everyone knows that you NEVER set pre-conditions before you sit down to negotiate.

    But the National Intelligence Estimate last year said they stopped weapons development, and still Condoleeza Rice won't meet with the leaders to negotiate.

    This whole situation stinks. If there is a war with Iran, the world will be in bad shape.

    At all costs, war must be avoided. Condoleeza Rice must meet with and negotiate for peaceful relations between the US and Iran.
     
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  3. imad

    imad Peon

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    #23
    much like this:

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  4. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #24
    True .. :D
     
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  5. Ohad

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    #25
    "we saw this kind of miscalculation and false claims from israel and the admin before iraq war" - that's is what you said.
    yes, Israel wants that USA will attack Iran's nuclear reactvors, if you call it pushing to war, so whatever.
    how can nuclear weapon in hands of extreme-Islam dictatorship, that calling to destruction of some countries, can be a good thing?
     
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    #26
    U.S. must rethink it's policy towards Israel.......Israel is acting very arrogantly taking support of U.S. for granted....waging war on Iran will only make global terriorism more worse and irreversible......:mad:
     
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  7. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #27
    Why should USA be fighting a war for Israel. Whether there are weapons of mass destruction in Iran remains to be proven. We had already experienced the extreme accuracy of Bush's intelligence agencies.

    A war with Iran would be the same as a war with an already demoralized and partially disarmed Iraq, 4000 was killed in Iraq, you can expect 10x that in Iran. USA lost in Vietnam, history may repeat itself in Iran given that USA troops are already spread too thin fighting two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The possibility of a war in Iran is in my opinion remote given the current engagements of USA troops in other areas, there is simply not enough combat troops around. A draft will be the only way but I doubt a draft will be popular with any of the Presidential candidates.

     
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    ThraXed Peon

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    #28
    Iran is a strong country, to estimate it at Iraq's levels would be a huge mistake.

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    It would be a nightmare scenario if theres two powers collided for both sides
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #29
    I would agree that Iran is a regional power. USA already made a mistake on Iraq, the mistake on Iran will be far more severe, not just in war casualties but also the world economy. Disruption of crude oil from the Middle East is a definite.


     
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  10. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #30
    i meant miscalculation in regard to intelligence. Do you feel it was deliberate?
    this is a big mistake.
    A-These are active reactors and there are radioactive gas in it ready to be centerfuged. they bought these from china.releasing these gases will damage a large area. It will fry our troops in iraq and afganestan and the gulf.If the wind is toward west , will reach Israel. you will have large cancer and other problems for years.
    B-you assume that russia agrees to this. They will let them know about your planes coming so they will have plenty of time to react.
    C-They will react and you don't know how. they will hit your reactor or your refinery.
    D-if they have a secret reactor and weapon program they will accelerate that for sure
    E-this could have negative impact in other islamic countries and can destabilizing other countries
    first of all they say they do not want a weapon program, and there is a better chance of success with negotiations on this bases. I think this will work
    you need to do something about your anxiety over there.Even if it does not. We lived with soviet union and china and push come to shove we can live with them also
    you people in the right of israeli politics are crazy
     
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  11. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #31
    Nuclear weapons in zionist regime is very dangerouse , israel has to stop its own nuclear weapons, must destroy them.
     
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    #32
    No kidding. Talk about a double standard. The terrorist state of Israel can go around flexing their muscles, but God forbid someone else does, they will be attacked by the USA on behalf of Israel. What your typical US Citizen doesn't even realize is that they are working for Israel and the USA has been doing Israel's dirty work for decades now.
     
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    #33
    If israel has balls why dont israel attack Iran without USA ? Why steal money, soldiers from USA ? Why USA soldiers have to die for israel ? Why USA has to share their responsiblties for war ? This will open doors for conspiracy theories
     
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    #34
    you wrote so many rubbish + personal attack in the end.
    A - those reactors are in insular places in the desert.
    B - unless Russia has a spy in Israel she can't know about that.
    C - they will react? very scary. we will crash them in few hours. get it: IDF never lost to an active army.
    D - trust on on the Mossad.
    E - maybe.

    "they say they do not want a weapon program" - so naive...

    about the personal attack, I am not crazy, and I will not report on this now. so you better say thank you and apologize.
     
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    #35
    Hey what is Mossad's tag line again? By way of deceit. Do you take pride in that? Israel has a strong military cause we the USA support it. It is MY taxpayer dollar that pays for your military, so do not bite the hand the feeds you.
     
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    #36
    On 30 July 2007 the Jerusalem Post reported that Iran was negotiating with Russia to buy 250 Sukhoi Su-30 “Flanker” fighter-bombers and 20 Ilyushin Il-78 Midas tankers that could extend the fighters’ range.

    In any case the Iranians are not even a match for the Israelis let alone the US.
     
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    #37
    these are the things you have not considered and this makes your opinion irrelevant.
    a-as i said they have tons of radio active gas that if it leaks it gets spread in the atmosphere like it or not. if the radioactive gas comes over some israeli men won't be able to have children. that is one of the things to go
    B-Russia has all kind of resources capable of locating and tracking US made jets.they will know the minute they take off
    c-like hezbolah, but with more resources.
    D-can't find it now . couldn't find it before. and you are worried and claiming that it exist. if it does not exist then you archive nothing . can't destroy something that does not exist.
    E-That could turn egypt into hamas country and open up all kind of unforeseeable situation and create enough shortage of the oil that the world will turn on you.
     
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    #38
    they can do enough damage. i read some where that if they sink even one oil ship the oil will go to $250-$300 just because of the insurance
    please you guys thought iraq is going to be easy too.
     
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    #39
    is this equivalent to trust Mossad? if so then I would not advise so, Mossad is nobody's friend, not even USA the hand that feeds it as guru suggested:

    Lavon Affair

     
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    #40
    IMHO Israel air force is arguably the best in the world, the Americans pilots aren't their equal and definitely not Iran. But to fight a war requires the army as well, Israeli army hasn't been up to par lately even against the likes of Hezbollah let alone the fanatic Iranian Revolutionary Guards.


     
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