U.S. Soldiers Launch Campaign to Convert Iraqis to Christianity

Gee, how many times can you be wrong? Why can't you admit to yourself that I've already shown you up by explaining that I've already queried the publisher of the Military version of the book?

I hope that you are not asking me to ask the original author for his sources, because that would just prove to me that you didn't read the article, did you? Did you see how the author referenced his sources? They are right there to see. And that I have pointed out how when you read those sources, you can see that they clearly do not support the original author's position, which is a claim that among US soldiers there is "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity"?

If you disagree with me, then I welcome you to look through the sources referenced by the original article and find something that supports the original author's position that there is "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity". Go ahead. I suspect that you can't find anything there to support the article, right?

EXACTLY! The article is inaccurate and disingenuos because the sources that the article claims to be based upon have show nothing to support the claim that among U.S. soliders that there is "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity"

And I've noticed that you have not even attempted to dispute my major conclusion, which is that there does not exist "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity". Can I assume that's because you don't have any new evidence to offer other than finding my conclusions "inconveinient" to your bias?

No, I based the bulk of my estimate of the accuracy of the piece on the simple and indisputably obvious fact that THE SOURCE REFERENCES USED BY THE ARTICLE contain absolutely no evidence anywhere that even suggests that U.S. soldiers have launched 'a major initiative" to convert Iraqis to Christianity.

And, although the Military version of the book is a large 6"x9", in the unlikely event that the Military version of the book is as light as the 1.5 lbs claimed for the non-Military version, none of the sources referenced by the article support the claim that soldiers are distributing this book and "Bibles and other fundamentalist Christian literature" to Iraqis.

Can you find anything in the sources referenced in the article that support that claim? Because I can't.

Subsequently, THE SOURCE REFERENCES USED BY THE ARTICLE does not support the lead-off statement of "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity by distributing Bibles and other fundamentalist Christian literature translated into Arabic to Iraqi Muslims."

Have you looked at the source references used by the original article? I think not. Have you found any authoritative sources that back up the main article's claims? I think not.

If you can, show me how the sources referenced by the original article back up the claim that among U.S. solders that there is "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity by distributing Bibles and other fundamentalist Christian literature translated into Arabic to Iraqi Muslims."

I suspect that your next move might be to debate the meaning of the words "initiative", "convert", and "literature". Then check my post for speling and punctuation errors,

 

Are you still standing by your claim it is a 4 pound book?

Feel free to take issue with the article, I don't care.

I pointed out how hypocritical is was because you chose to use your own totally bogus numbers as fact to try and disprove the article - all the while trying to bolster your claims by claiming yourself a "journalist". You did this all knowing full well you have no idea what the real weight of the book is. Most journalists would have waited for a reply from the publisher before claiming to know what the weight was as you did.

 

this is what you wish to say, but how far or close is it from truth?

and how can you speak on behalf of all when you say "we all", or whom you meant with "we" if that "we all" include Muslims, then you are mistaken, cos this is not what they think,

the very rapid spread of Islam in its early years, and the great civilization that came as a result of this great religion, is something that WE ALL know whether we are Muslims or Christians or else, but people in the west, in general, love to hate Islam, out of prejudice maybe,

the sword is what been used mostly against Muslims to try to convert them from their religion, since the Crusaders, logic, or common sense says, if Islam was spread by the sword, then crusaders should have been received with hugs and open arms (or roses as Bush expected in Iraq) but the fact, they been fought and defeated, campaign after another.

your continuous attacks at the prophet pbuh are unjust because you know nothing about him, they are out of ignorance, and your big love to hate, and prejudice, but if you take the time, to read more about him, then you won't fall in the same mistake which Mahatma Ghandi have fall into, Mahatma Ghandi like you, said that Islam was spread by the sword, but unlike you he decided to learn more about the prophet and Islam, its when he realized that his previous writing about Islam, were not true, so he wrote again, this time, saying:

I recommend you to learn more about the prophet so you can liberate yourself from ignorance in this part, I do not need to defend neither the prophet, nor Islam, because, ironically there are so many respected Westerns and non-Muslims historians who do so, and acknowledge his wisdom, and honesty:

but the real issue with you and some others, is not the prophet himself, he is no longer with us, its the Quran which you did not read, and if you read you did not understand, go grab a copy of Quran, and read it, if there is something that you do not understand, you can ask, do not try to shot at it lol this won't help you to get rid of your "love to hate" or "ignorance".

 

It also does not mean the weight is the same. As a matter of fact, it usually means the weight is different.

Do you know what the phrase "military edition" means?

 

Are you CONCEDING that "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity" by US soldiers does NOT exist?

Because your desperate attempts to draw this discussion into the weight of the book (which will hopefully be settled on Monday, so simmer down!) appears to be a smokescreen for you to hide your failed argument.

So, I ask you again - are you CONCEDING that "a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity" by US soldiers does NOT exist?

Are you focusing on the book because you know that the original claims of the original argument are bogus? And, instead of you trying to prove that false article is true, you want to disprove my estimate? Look, you're on tricky ground here - what if the results come back and the Military edition of the book is about the same as my estimate? Woudn't that put a big hulking crater in the middle of your position?

 

Nope, you would still be a pathetically poor "journalist" for putting forth such a claim with no factual basis in the first place - all the while touting yourself as a journalist.

I didn't write the article, so I don't need to stand by it. However, nothing you have pointed out casts any doubt on it. Perhaps your eagerness to defend the practice of the US military ministering your religion to Iraqis is causing your totally un-journalistic approach to the story.

I am tiring of you. Why not come back when you have something other than your pathetic estimate to base your argument on.

 

Ohh Corwin......

Where o where are you?

Why have you not come to tell us how a publisher made a military edition 3 times heavier than the standard edition?

That you even think that is likely is pretty funny. You do realize that most thinking people try to make the military version of things lighter don't you? You silly "journalist" making up numbers and then trying to sell the fact that someone would unnecessarily weight down soldiers with a heaver edition for no reason.

 

There are US soldiers who convert to Islam in Iraq, Afghanistan. One of them is :

American Soldier: Islam Is The Only Religion That Makes Sense
Sergeant Wallace Nelson is stationed in Afghanistan with American forces.
Nelson recently converted to Islam in a ceremony hosted near the Pakistan border. In a surprising statement for some he said that Islam was the only religion that makes sense to him :
"A US soldier in Afghanistan said he converted to Islam Monday at a ceremony in a remote area near the rugged border with Pakistan.
Sergeant Wallace Nelson, 31, told AFP his interaction with his interpreters and other Afghans had persuaded him that Islam "is pretty much the only religion that makes sense to me."

http://kashmiri-nomad.blogspot.com/2008/02/american-soldier-islam-is-only-religion.html

 

You shouldn't leave off the best part of that:

This kind of thinking always makes me laugh. The writer is trying to put his mentality on to those he hates, but it only shows his ignorance and bigotry.

The site had other things that would be interesting if the blogger understood. Like the video of the ex-marines giving testimony of what they did and he even says what he did was wrong including that it was illegal to shoot at mosques unless fired at from a mosque, but I bet that goes past the closed minded really quickly.

 

Browntwn, I really don't follow your thinking on this thread, I don't see how this is an all-encompassing problem. It sounds very isolated, and I hope dealt with properly. If someone wants to talk about their religion to others and it doesn't interfere with there job there or is an official item, it should be allowed. However, any sense of force would negate any real conversion in Christianity, which then would show that any one claiming to be a christian and using force doesn't understand Christianity at all.

 

I have not read other posts on that blog.
But the fact is that US soldiers are converting too, while US military trying to convert Iraqis . US soldiers are planning to convert afghan ppls to christianity too

 

I am just being a pain in the ass to this Corwin fellow because I didn't like the way he touted himself a journalist and then made up facts to bolster his post.

I don't know how big the problem is, but I hope it is isolated.

I agree that everyone should be free to talk about and praise their own religion. I think, under the color of authority, a very fine line must be walked. I do not think soldiers, in uniform, on patrol, have any business promoting anything of a personal nature - especially religion.

 

Really... do you have a direct reference for that?

BTW, I finally got a response back and was told that the Military edition of the book "weighs three and three-quarters pounds". Compared to the non-military version, it has a "durable binding" and "heavy weight paper". The military version wasn't made to conform to any mil-specs, it was only made so that it could be MORE DURABLE - it won't be destroyed if you get it soaking wet.

Sooo... am I gonna hear anyone admit that I was right? (cups hands to ear, hears sounds of humiliating shame coming from poor browntwn)

I'm assuming that my 1/4 pound deficit is going to be intolerable to some of you

I can't wait to hear the excuses... (he he)!

 

#1 you still were not right, anyone using an estimate/guess would have stated they were using an estimate not stating a guess for facts.
#2 please post some proof other than your word.
#3 that still does not make it impossible for a soldier to carry one each time they go out, weight honestly does not make any difference in the situation, unless it was of course much, much heavier.

 

Oh, please, don't flatter yourself - you're an impotent gnat that's only mildly amusing.

My facts are straight - it's the original article that was completely made-up and you yourself have basically conceded that the premise of the original article was a big lie, haven't you? That's why you never tried to defend the article, right?

Really, there's noting unique about you, browntwn. You want to be right and, like a cranky child, you want attention. But MOST OF ALL, you want your prejudices validated and you become angry when someone dares disagree with your baseless prejudices.

 

Duh. I was right.

Give it up.

How about you post some proof that the orignal article is accurate? You can't, can you? Embarassing for you, huh?

Um, according to the REFERENCES CITED, there is no proof that the solders are doing that, is there?

 

unemployed Wannabe i assume

 

You were not correct, you were wrong on multiple levels.
#1 your own weight was off of the 'word' we are supposed to buy from you.
#2 You still used a 'guess' and did not state it was a guess, but instead made it to be a fact.

Are you serious? I could care less if the article is accurate or not, you have yet to disprove the article. I find it more funny that a guy who claims an article is inaccurate uses 'guesses' as facts before getting any confirmation.

Embarrassing for me? Nope, you're doing enough embarrassing yourself for all of us

Um, but there is no proof that they aren't now is there?

---which was the entire point behind your '4 pound book' if you're so certain they are not doing it, why the need to fabricate the 4 pound book?


But the '4 pound book' guess is proof, and you do not need to state it's a 'guess' we should just take it as fact.

 

Is your post meant to be a compelling argument, or is it a merely a failed attempt at humor?

There is NOT a major initiative to covert thousands of Iraqi citizens to Christianity. But some of you wish there were so you can feel secure in your religious hatred, don't you?

 

Religious hatred? Yet I am CHRISTIAN