SERP Jump from page 12 to page 6! Coincidence?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by PlateFish, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hi everyone,

    I couple of days ago I changed my title tags to become more relevant to my site. Originally the title tag was simply "Pokerisrigged.com" for my poker forums. I then changed it to "Poker is Rigged | Forums" and have noticed a jump from page 12 to the top of page 6 for the key phrase "poker forums" (fairly competetive).

    Is this a coincidence or is it impossible for the effect to be that great?

    My forum which is relatively small at the moment has out ranked several large sites including a site called www.eatmystack.co.uk which is pretty damn huge!

    Did the title tag really do that much?
     
    PlateFish, Jun 2, 2008 IP
  2. hans

    hans Well-Known Member

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    #2
    changing titles and specially title tags always kills your serps
    wait a several weeks or a few months until the serps have settled down.
    much later MAYBE the serps might be better - may be totally out like now.

    changing back does NOT solve your situation - ANY change of title tag alway results in a total renewing of your serps and that takes MUCH more time than the VERY first time when you publish your page.

    for the future:
    change ONLY if you TRULY KNOW what you do - NEVER just for testing - it always takes weeks to months until you see the REAL effect on such changes.

    better do it RIGHT from the beginning !!!
     
    hans, Jun 2, 2008 IP
  3. pilar

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    Good lesson for me here, Hans.
     
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  4. PlateFish

    PlateFish Banned

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    Well I'm guessing my title is better off as "Poker is rigged | Forums" since it contains both key phrases I am optimising for rather than "Pokerisrigged.com"... I did research before changing the tags and felt that it needed to be done.
     
    PlateFish, Jun 2, 2008 IP
  5. hans

    hans Well-Known Member

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    #5
    keep in mind that serps beyong pge 1 oe 2 alway tend to jump up and down or out

    if you wish stable serps then you NEED to establish the page among the top 3-5
    any page later than 2-3 will bring you near zero traffic
    pages 5 or higher definitely only MAY bring single accidental traffic

    real traffic only comes from page 1 !!
    if you are UNable to achieve page 1 - that means you are no expert in your job or lack the power to invest the efforts needed to achieve a page 1 and may consider a different topic where you willingly can invest all the efforts and $ needed to CREATE the content needed to achieve a top 3-5 serps and get a real share from your keyword's global traffic.

    I consider any page I have on page 2 or later as a potential failure that needs correction and remedy no matter the efforts if the keyword is important to me.
     
    hans, Jun 2, 2008 IP
  6. PlateFish

    PlateFish Banned

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    Unable to achieve page 1? Firstly I never claimed to be an expert, I've been doing SEO and IM for the past 2 months and have learned a lot on the way. Bringing my site from unlisted to page 6 for a very competetive keyword is a big achievement. Of course my efforts don't stop there, I am aiming for page 1.

    I am unlike 90% of DP members. I don't look for a quick buck. I'm not going to invest $$$ in some douche bag to try and improve my SERPs. I want to learn this skill for myself and for the future without having my hand held. But thanks for the words of motivation.
     
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    hans Well-Known Member

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    top 10 serps are no matter of $ invested into seo but $ invested into creating more content attracting more generic backlinks and more satisfied customers / site visitors. time invested into studying, into learning - that of course costs $ but the results are of lasting nature, while $ invested into pure seo are of temporary nature.

    to be an expert is a goal - else having a site makes no real sense unless its a pure hobby site.
    any higher page simply brings no visitors to justify the investment of natural resources such as time and life force.

    i have invested zero cents into links but ten thousands of $ and many ten thousands of hrs into creating content leading to success.

    its just a matter of motivation - if the goal is valuable tnen its easy to be motivated and work years day and night until goal achived.
     
    hans, Jun 2, 2008 IP
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    No coincidence title tags are very important.
     
    mtime88, Jun 2, 2008 IP