Largest Swiss Newspaper Asks if Bush Was Behind 9/11-BLICK newspaper

Same shit, different day.

 

No doubt. You're back to posting in a dishonest manner.

The quote you have taken from my post, is in reference to the 9:35 AM post, not the other quote you have framed around it.

That is totally dishonest, and you should be ashamed of yourself. I guess you were right yesterday, we may have some things in common, but dirty tricks like that are not one of them.

 

Why would the ex italian president lie?

 

You are now talking about one segment of the WMD issue. To send a USA diplomat to talk to a Niger diplomat, who denies that any conversations about yellowcake uranium took place does not prove that the story was a lie. Diplomats lie on behalf of their countries every day, or are not in a position to know about some things. The CIA was saying that Niger planned to sell yellowcake uranium in 2001. Niger does produce yellowcake uranium. The story about the meeting with Iraqi officials came from both Italian and British intelligence. The Brits still claim the story is accurate.

Our own intelligence said that Bush should never have made the statement that he did in the State of the Union address because it was as yet unproven. Neither Iraq nor Niger are open countries where we could just walk in and ask questions. Joe Wilson's weak investigation never went past the diplomatic stage. And much of the erroneous intelligence information about WMDs came from Iraqi dissidents who wanted to see Saddam taken down. There wasn't really any way to prove or disprove the reports.

Once again, lack of evidence does not prove a lie. I'm not supporting Bush on this issue; it's just that I'm not ready to hang him until I see some credible evidence (not Wilson's story) that he was behind any of the accusations that have been dumped upon him.

If you think things are going to get a whole lot better under one of the idiots who will replace him, think real hard about that. The USA will never recover from the current situation if we don't try to stop the feeding frenzy of misinformation about the intentions of the USA government. The USA is not an evil country.

 

Nope actually I brought up 2 points just for starters
You forgot the aluminum tubes that our own experts as well as the worlds experts disputed what the white house stated.

One would think the White House's facts should come from the experts in the US, would you not?

 

The people probably are not, but the government seriously deserves questioning. The objective is not to stop asking questions, it is to start finding answers.

Right now, the media and government are complicit in keeping Joe Citizen in the dark. People think that Saddam did 9/11, WMDs were found, the Taliban flew the planes etc. This isn't mass stupidity, in so much as it is mass confusion perpetuated by the voices of authority we follow.

You have a country which spends more than every other country in the world combined on (sic) defense. You have a country with bases and personnel stationed in over 100 countries around the world. You have a country which has been involved in nearly every significant war of the last 100 years.

To claim that there is no chance, record, opportunity or history of any evil seems a little less than genuine to me. Greenland or New Zealand might be able to make such a claim. To say that the empire functions exclusively on good deeds and intentions (to me) is quite a stretch.

 

The connection with Niger started with the CIA report warning that Niger was planning to sell yellowcake uranium on the open market. The intelligence information did start in the USA.

The information about the meeting with Iraq emerged later and that was when Joe Wilson was sent to ask questions. Personally, I don't think a conversation between two diplomats about something as serious as selling yellowcake uranium has any credibility. It would be quite natural for Niger to deny the incident.

We may never know if a meeting between Iraq and Niger ever took place, but denials on the part of a possible guilty party (Niger) do not prove that it didn't happen.

Truthful answers are a good thing. Witch hunts based on flimsy accusations and a drive to discredit everything the government says are not.

I agree with the mass stupidity issue, but I don't know anyone with any brains who thinks that the Saddam did 9/11 or that the Taliban flew the planes. That misinformation didn't come from the government. Sure, Cheney at one time mentioned that a connection to Iraq was being investigated. Saddam was an active supporter of terrorism. Iraq should have been included in the investigation. Bush never made those claims, yet they are being attributed to him.

I think most people correctly believe that the Taliban was harboring bin Laden and was in fact a brutal regime.

The world is a lot better off without Saddam and the Taliban.

The real issue that has made the Iraq war a mess is that while it was easy to win the war, it is not easy to win the peace in a Muslim country. That was the biggest miscalculation that the Bush administration made. They were led to believe that the Iraqis would be "dancing in the streets" once Saddam was gone. They didn't factor in the Islamic issue with infidels occupying Islamic soil.

By the way, I don't buy into Bush's theory that democracies do not make war on democracies. While democracies are better that totalitarian regimes, that is not the answer to the Middle East problems. They will always be at odds with each other until they move their mindset from the 7th century to the 21st century.

 

If you could class a country as evil, as in the country itself not the people, then yes i think the USA is evil. After so many wars, so many dead people, you notice a pattern, it is always the USA involved.

Iran Air Flight 655, also known as IR655, was a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles on Sunday July 3, 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran-Iraq War.

Operated by Iran Air from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, the aircraft flying as IR655 was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes between Bandar Abbas and Dubai, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children, ranking it seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities. Vincennes was traversing the Straits of Hormuz, inside Iranian territorial waters, at the time of the attack and IR655 was within Iranian airspace.

The Iranian government maintained that the Vincennes knowingly shot down a civilian aircraft.

 

Hey, it followed his post directly. There was nothing to make it seem like it was talking about anything other than the post directly preceding it. To accuse me of dishonesty and dirty tricks is absurd. You responded how you agreed with him 10 minutes after his post. I made the logical reading of your post. Here is how it looked:

 

I was clearly addressing the international nature of the inquiries about 9/11, in reference to the former Italian president/PM speaking out about it.

I have stated probably no less than 100 times, than I don't know who did it. So why would I say that I have been saying it is the CIA and Mossad?

In fact, I bet you would be hard pressed to find many, if any posts by me about Mossad.

You're just back to your smear tactics, business as usual.

EDIT: Yeah, I just looked it up. I've posted the name MOSSAD once in my what, 7,400 posts?

 

So avoid the aluminum tube issue and have no issue with using 'yellow cake' with no true evidence to support that it in fact was truthful, but only take exception with those who use it in a case of lie/cherry picking for the war?

Interesting.

 

So. Is this 9/11 thread about:

Debunking the Iron Age

Or

About the hypercompetent Bush administration that has perfectly planned everything since 2000, including 9/11 ?

I'm really too lazy to bother to read it.

 

You forgot to mention all of the millions who have been massacred by Muslims, Russians, Germans and Japanese. Yeah, the USA has become involved in many wars, but we are not usually the ones who start them.

The facts are that our intelligence warned of an impending attack, the Iranian airliner was on a direct path toward the Vincennes and refused to respond to the normal international hails. The airliner was also mistaken for a possible fighter jet on radar. Most people do not know it, but we settled up with the Iranian government to the tune of $60+ million, but there never was any admission of responsibility. We did the right thing given the circumstances. How much did the Russians pay for shooting down Korean flight 007?

Of course they would say that. They were openly hostile toward the USA. Every government lies. It's called propaganda.

 

When did USA decide to invade Iraq ? Did it happen after 9/11 ?

 

operation desert storm. Google it.

 

How do you know the USA version is not propaganda?

 

Who Question 9/11 Are called Creationists

 

Certainly to any casual reader of the thread it looked like agreement with his post.

If you say you were addressing his other post, I will take you at face value. But your continuing to accuse me of a smear tactic is bullshit. I don't pay attention to your history of posts ~ you think too much of yourself. I was replying to what appeared to be a direct agreement with ThraXed, and frankly did not seem that out of character for you.

Your refusal to acknowledge that is was a perfectly logical reading of your post has the thou doest protest too much feel.

 

Frankly speaking, I would not be surprised if he really was. That is how politics work.

 

You aren't a casual reader.

Good because I don't need to lie to you.

I'm tired of people accusing me of charges that are made up. Disagree with me vehemently, even hate me for my ideas and principles, but don't make crap up.

Perhaps MYOB is a good strategy for you then.

A simple, "I'm sorry, I F***ED UP" will suffice.