U.S. Soldiers Launch Campaign to Convert Iraqis to Christianity

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  1. ThraXed

    ThraXed Peon

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    #81
    Nobody was forced to convert in Istanbul though.

    Muslim ruled spain for 800 years, that is a LONG time, they could of forced everyone convert, but they didn't. This is proof alone that the Islam and Sword thing is just a big conspiracy theory with no facts.
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #82
    They all did it.

    English Yusuf Ali: [quran 9:29]Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
     
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  4. Ckrismoney

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    #84
    English Yusuf Ali: [quran 9:29]Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    That's allowing someone to live if they pay you.
    They still converted many by oppression. When all this is backed up by the sword that's what people are converted by.
    Just because they live longer if they pay doesn't mean they won't convert eventually.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #85
    Right, but the jizya was not levied on women, the young or the elderly. At the Wikipedia link, there is historical precedent for young men and their tribes being exempted if they would share in the defensive duties with the army of the Wali.

    Even if someone converted to Islam to avoid the jizya, they would immediately be in a system of paying zakat.

    Still, this doesn't answer the specific question asked of you with regards to how fast Islam is currently growing without war.
     
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  6. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #86
    No, you fail to recognize that terrorism and jihad is war and that's how it's growing.


    And that link is solely from the muslim point of view as said by Wikipedia.

    When we find a group overtaking others and oppressing them and, they say the rules they followed while doing the evil deeds, who has told the truth?

    Thats why you get the victims detailed accounts.

    Not Wikipedia saying its from the muslim (oppressors) point of view!

    Heck they didnt even set the black slaves free till the 1950's

    We already had blacks in congress here in the 1800's.
     
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    #87
    Which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

    What country did they invade?

    Very simple question :)
     
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    #88
    :rolleyes:

    YOU

    CAN'T

    BE

    SERIOUS

    Hunh? Blacks have been Muslims for generations. Slavery in Islamic countries was not based on racism like it was in America.

    Women had more rights in Islam 800 years ago than women in America did 100 years ago.

    Right, but blacks couldn't use the same public bathroom as a white person until 60 years ago.

    I can handle your Christian zealotry, but it's that you're so incredibly ignorant about history that makes your posts irrational.
     
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    #89
    The muslims didn't rule Spain for 800 years

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    #90
    Here man have a good read at the same jihad (war) that's world wide.

    Tears of Jihad
    Monday, March 3, 2008

    These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

    Africa
    Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
    120 million Africans

    Christians
    The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
    60 million Christians

    Hindus
    Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
    80 million Hindus

    Buddhists
    Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]
    10 million Buddhists

    Jews
    Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

    This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

    You know how islam rolls man don't play dumb.

    If your looking for soldiers standing with honor next to a flag, you won't find it, you seem to be ignoring the jihad renegades that have been multiplying year after year from the same war muhammad started. It never stopped!

    Islam kills innocent people world wide as a scattered unit after the same goal.

    The battlefield is anywhere, not just secluded to a specific location.
     
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    #92
    How can people convert if they are dead?

    I'll ask again

    When did Muslims invade THE USA AND THE UK to convert millions to Islam?

    Mabye, just mabye. they converted from choice because they recognize the truth? Like the people before them, and before them and before them.
     
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    #93
    LOL, you should ask the Mormons. They have made a practice of converting people after they die.
     
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    #94
    How did you not miss Islam's historical pattern of "convert or die?"
     
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    #95
    Because it's not the same book.
     
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    #96
    That's crazy I didnt know that.

    That mormon prophet did the same thing mohummad did, without all the violence though.

    He said an Angel appeared and said the books are wrong and here's the right one and told them what to say.

    What did god forget to say something. And both books were totally different then the first.

    I don't know how people fall for the same lie.
     
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    #97
    are you an employed journalist or unemployed want to be?
     
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    #98
    When did Muslims invade THE USA AND THE UK to convert millions to Islam?
     
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    #99
    Because it is a different edition does not necessarily mean the weight is wrong - it is quite likely both editions are the same weight. You are a funny "journalist". You have no authority for the actual weight of the book - yet you insist you are right and everyone else is wrong. I would love to know where you went to journalism school.
     
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