Saudi prince: If Israel quits Arab land, it could join Arab world

oh yeah, he was quick, but not quicker than me mwahahah ( <-- evil laugh)

I quoted it

 

he was quick. But it is nice , that he had edited removed all his offtopic comments..

 

And then the Arabs shall return all the occupied land it simply confiscated from hundreds of thousands of Jews during the 20th century in "Arab lands" and we'll all live happily ever after.

BTW, it would also help if Jews had land rights in all the Arab countries. Yes, peace in the middle east is just that simple, my friend...

 

Arab countries have laws regarding the property, and it applies on other Arabs living in another Arabian country different of their original one, for example, Libya allows other Arabs to live and work there, but if they made their fortune in Libya, they can't take it (or all of it) out of Libya.

This propaganda is used to justify what the Zionists did in Palestine, Arabs did not occupy any "Jewish" land, there is nothing called Jewish land, or Jewish state, they been living in their Arab countries, enjoying peace and equality, while their brothers in Europe were having huge difficulties, and brutality, while in Palestine, there was something called Palestine, which is a country, not private property, that as a whole been stolen by force, and the expelling of hundreds of thousands of people, by committing massacres and terrorism.

Many of the Jews in Arabian countries felt afraid from what might happen to them, as a result of the Zionists aggressions against Arabs and the slogans they raised at that time, the same reason now that prevent Jewish people from visiting Arab countries which made peace contracts with Israel like Egypt and Jordan, without hiding their "real" nationality.

without forgetting that they been encouraged to leave by the Zionists, ( and still encouraged like Iranian Jews) to support the newly established illegal state of Israel with whatever fortune they can bring from the Arab countries, and with the labor powers, and population to overcome the Arabian original population in Palestine.

 

what does this have to do with muslims? why do you paint all the muslims with the brush?

 

diversion and blame don't really give justification, for either parties, Zionists got their biggest economical boost from the properties and wealth they stole from the Palestinians, so if we were to use blame and "how about" then we should follow the time sequence, where the first who started such things, is the most to be blamed,

so, what about it, you tell me? and why you call them "refugees", what danger they faced, and what was its cause? what do you know about their properties there, and did they lose it, if yes why and how, and in what percentage?

after we have these questions answered, we can know why, and how, and then after that, we can decide if its correct to call them refugees, or not.

of course, the best who can answer such questions is neither you or me, it would be Jews, who lived in Arabian countries, and who later moved to Israel, they can tell how they been treated before, and later, and what did they own, and what it happened to it,

one of those is Naeim Giladi,

 

the issue as I mentioned need investigation, to know how much if there was any, and how these properties were used, or taken, or "confiscate" and before that, whether they are considered refugees or not, Jewish or Zionists,
I know that a refugee is the one who fled his homeland for safety, and as soon as its safe, the refugee can go back to his homeland,

the origins of this claim came out in March 19th. 2007 issue of U.S. News Magazine, before that, the "forgotten Jewish refugees" and their properties, been forgotten by the Jews themselves, so why in 2007?

some claim they are 10 billions, others claim its 100 billion, and some claim there was nothing, before we ask what happened to such property, we need to know if it existed, and if it did to know how much in approximate number, then we can ask what happened to it and why,

this Myth been refuted here

 

I agree, two wrongs do not make right, its why I said "for either parties" its wrong to take somebody's word for granted before knowing all about the issue, on both cases, its best to do a research before taking anybody's word for it, whether it was Arabian or else.

"even if they confiscate" I read in it a pre-judgment, before you really know all about it, in the above article, it says: "Those, who immigrated, had plenty of time to sell their properties before leaving." do not take their words though, do a research, then come and speak about wrong and right.

 

I appreciate your noble deeds wisdomtool, I hope the same too, when 2000 years old history is used falsely to justify stealing lands, and killing, till today, I believe we (or me at least as Palestinian) have to refute such false claims, so the truth can be seen by anybody who is interested in knowing it.

 

Aside from the land issue there is another issue that sticks out for Israel and it should be reflected by this offer of peace.

Arab nations, and currently, Palestinians in the West Bank, are unable to guarantee Israel peace from groups that significant military forces in and of themselves that either represent different Arab interests.

The Saudi's can't guarantee peace from Al Queda. They can't guarantee peace from Al Queda in its own land.

Currently, Palestinians on the West Bank can't guarantee peace from their own people.

Who would guarantee peace from Hezbollah or Hamas? Currently Lebanon can't enforce peace within its own nation with regard to Hezbollah.

Israel's willingness to trade land for peace requires a guarantee on the peace side.

There are two elements of this process--LAND and PEACE

It is promising that language coming from a representative of the Saudi government is of this nature. That, in its own right, is of a different character of language than language various representatives of Arab nations or Arab groups have used over the last 60 years.

Regardless Israel lives under the constant threat of attack from any of several groups.

To date, no Arab nations are willing to take actions in Iraq to help fortify peace. Iran could and would step in if not for the US...and the Sunni nations refuse to take steps.

While the language is promising the ability to deliver peace guarantees is not there.

I think the language is a positive step but there is no meat on the ability or willingness to enforce such a suggestion.

Meanwhile, Israeli's and Syrians are engaged in peace negotiations in Turkey. Israel is aware that relinquishing land in the Golan Heights is a part of that process in moving it toward progress. It will be interesting to see what comes of these talks.

Exactly what Israel wants from Syria is unknown at this time. It might well want enforceable guarantees not only with Syria but also with Syria vis a vis Hezbollah.

Again, time will tell with regard to these talks.

 

very little is going to change on the ground that will reduce israeli security.
the implementation is probably going to take a few years. also nobody is asking israel to disarm or wants to arm hamas.
if there is an agreement that is considered fair and palestanian people and israeli people vote on approve it, then the power of these groups will reduce.
a cease fire with hamas can facilitate the peace process and should be considered as an intermediate step.

the key is that palestanians must see an alternative approach and a way to success without resorting to violance, and in return israelis must see that the palestanians can provide the security that will give them confidence.
i would start with big reconstruction projects that will employ a lot of palestanian youths and to build housing for them.
as these housing projects progress then the other steps will be implemented a lot easier.
removal of the small settelments and some of the roads connecting them should be the first step along with these construction projects. this will show what we can expect from each side.
as far as what israel wants from syria, it seems to be pretty obvious.israel wants to isolate iran.

 

you forgot to mention, that Israel too can't guarantee peace from settlers, like Goldstein, of course they will get so angry is Israel withdraw from West Bank, and they will get really angry if Israel removed illegal settlements, thats why I think there will be a need, for a temporary peace force to monitor both parties specially in the first years after they reach any agreement,

what Israel want from Syria, is not clear, as you mentioned, but you assume the problem is with Syria not giving Israel what it wants, I think Israel wants to keep occupying Golan heights, and keep calling it "part of Israel" at the same time, they want 100% quite borders with Syria and Lebanon, and an Isolation for Iran and Hizballah, then, they will talk about Golan, but with no promises

 

Imad:

I am a supporter of Israel, but I would emphasize a joint effort toward peace over hatred.

From the Israeli side, should a peace process move forward on a large scale basis it would certainly include removal of settlements from the West Bank. If it were all or some, I just don't know. That would be in the details of a settlement.

Certainly were that to happen the far right of Israel that supports the settlements would object. It would be a serious issue for Israel to pursue. Of interest when Israel removed settlers from Gaza it literally tore at the heart of the nation and specifically at the hearts of the soldiers who enforced the move. There were no deaths.

I suspect the anger and responses would be worse if Israeli settlements were removed from the West Bank. Israel would have to enforce peace. I believe its forces are more than capable of doing so. It would not be easy or pretty.

As to the talks between Syria and Israel we don't know in public what is being discussed. I guess we will learn in the future.

As far as this thread goes though, when I posted I didn't realize the thread and the piece of news was 4 months old. I suppose the offer from the Saudi is somewhat moot or at least old news now.

 

i did post a new move by Saudi King to extends invite to Jews for interfaith meet
and it seems to be well received also
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=858007