Associated Press reports via Fox News,some orthodox Jews in Israel burned hundreds of copies of the New testament Bible last week. http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/bibles_burned_christian_tolerance_prevails Very strange....... You would think they would be the last people to burn anything! (They usually dont)
It's a bummer, guess we have to print some more. There are a number of countries, that when they find Bibles, they will destroy them. It actually isn't anything really new, just not as common in Israel.
I am just very happy that such incidents did not cause any riots and burning of cars. The OP is right, Christian tolerances prevails!
Agreed totally and i think this should be the model of religious tolerance whenever another religions is being put down, not to kill over it
Most people manage to go through their whole life without letting trivial matters escalate into bloodshed, why is it all of a sudden newsworthy when religious people manage it? well done for not rioting or killing people, have a cookie.
Stox, hey watch me blink into nothingness cause after my 85 years of life on this earth, im going to turn into dirt. All we are is dust in the wind dude . I have no faith in anything i cant touch cause we are living in a material world and im a material errrrr man lol. I would say we should give the brownie buttons to your fellow atheists, stalin and hitler. Dont you think they were the model of atheism?
- I apologize in advance for the lengthy post - The definition of tolerance according to dictionary.com: a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own. and according to UNESCO: "Tolerance is respect, acceptance and appreciation of the rich diversity of our world's cultures, our forms of expression and ways of being human. Tolerance is harmony in difference." Christian intolerance have been prevailed in different places, and different times in history old and new, its not till the Christianity as religion, been split from the state or Government, that there were some kind of " religious tolerance" in the countries that were, or still Christians, (does not mean there are no other kinds on intolerance) so I do not think you were expecting riots in a country were Christianity been put on the shelf, in both the Government level, and on the personal level even, as it became like a kind of hobby for the most people who practice it, but in the times when it was not, there were so much bloodshed in Spain against both Muslim and Jews, in crusades, Tahiti, China, India...etc a kind of intolerance that never been triggered by an act of disrespect from the victims side, but from not accepting Christianity as a better replacement to what they believed before its arrival, you can't claim tolerance now to Christianity, when those who came with such ideas of tolerance are the ones who removed Christianity from the power after they suffered from its intolerance. when the issue is of a great importance for the people, the reaction will be big, for example, there are really ugly riots and violence and burning cars, and property, cops killing.. over a football game in some places who claim they are Christians, and there is nothing like this happen when some Jews pile copies of bible and burn them, in this example, football game is of great importance than the bible for these people, as in Muslim case, Islam is a way of life, and of great importance, it comes before anything else, when something similar happen, unfortunately riots happen, threats to kill, and maybe killing, like in the football game case, but here Muslims are requested to show tolerance, and even accused of intolerance as a whole, even thou the act that triggered it can't be described as "tolerance", or respect, or even accepting the differences, and even thou that who practice it are tiny percentage compared to the whole numbers of Muslims. of course rioting, and destroying properties, and threats of killing or killing are things that should not be tolerated no matter what, or who, or where, but to be categorized as people who have honesty, the acts that triggered it should also be labeled as "intolerance", painting all Muslims as terrorists, insulting their holy places, or books, ridiculing their way of life, all according to the definitions above are pure "intolerance" you can't expect respect if you do not give respect. then hopefully we will have things in their right names, the "freedom of intolerance"
heheh No im not 85, but im saying after im 85 im gonna be nothing . I wonder why athiests just blink into nothingness? I wonder if there is any research on the net on people pondering the meaning of nothingness? Imad this is why i believe in separation of church and state. Some right wing christians dont but most as a whole must believe it as it is jesus himself that said "give onto ceasar what belongs to ceasar and give to god what is rightfully gods"
So your belief is a result of a fear of death? regardless, why is the fact that religious people didn't riot over something newsworthy? Normal people don't riot over trivial bullshit, You don't deserve particular recognition when you refrain from it and it isn't entitled to be labeled "tolerance". it's not "tolerance", it's called behaving like a civilised human. Like i said, well done for not rioting... have a cookie. There is no model of atheism. it's a word used to describe someone who doesn't believe in a god. We can have good atheists and bad atheists, We have law abiding atheists and we have criminal atheists (though not many as atheists tend to be better paid and better educated), we don't have a dogma to abide by, we don't have celestial rules and we don't get diving justification for any wrong doing we may or may not commit, like beating women, being a homophobe or mutilating the genitals of a child. By the way, Hitler was a catholic and you know it. like most plastic christians you forget about the "thou shalt not lie" thing when the only other option is to be intellectually honest. Lying for jesus, how so very, very, typically "christian".
Hitler claimed to be catholic but there was nothing catholic about him(sounds like ur trying to paint him as a practicing catholic, shame shame stox, is there a global atheist bann on lying?) . He almost seemed atheist to me. Anyways watch my magic act POOOFFFFFFF im gone
you don't get to be the arbiter of what religion people belong to, especially when it's entirely based on you trying to distance yourself from someone who was a member of your particular club. Hitler said he was catholic, that makes him catholic. That is irrelevant though. I will ask, for a third time, this simple question; Why is nonviolence from a religion newsworthy? Why is nonviolence from christians regarded as "tolerance"? The only reason i can imagine for this is that religions are fundamentally violent and bloodthirsty, And when a slight against them doesn't result in violence and bloodshed it is seen as being rather unusual.
you made a good point but did not pay attention to other factors related to this news, it came after the danish cartoons, and fitna, and other incidents, so I personally believe the point from such news, is to say "see, despite those Jews piled up our bible and burnt it, but we smiled and told them we love you, and distributed cookies, we are nice, we are good, we did not riot, or threat to kill, or burn cars, unlike Muslims, they did so" so why there are so many who convert to Islam? I know you do not believe in any religion, but that does not prevent some people who share same beliefs as you, from being violent, or commit crimes, you tend to defend, by saying, Hitler was not an atheist, in this you are like saying, "atheists do not commit crimes! its religious people!" somebody may come with another name who was atheist and who did crimes, and they are many, does that make you and him equal in the eyes of law?
I understood that there was a comparison being drawn with muslims (who tend to riot at the drop of a hat) but what i couldn't understand is why any instance of nonviolence should be considered newsworthy. Think of all the instances of non-violence that occurred today, how many will make it into the news? How many people will praise the "tolerance" of everyone not committing acts of violence today? The idea that someone should receive praise for not being violent or that non-violence is remarkable is absurd and says a lot about how unstable religious people really are. Are we really living in a world which expects violence from religious people so much that when they aren't violent we are so surprised that we report it on the news? I don't say Hitler was a catholic because i want to distance him from atheism. I say he was a catholic because, well, he was. it's called living in reality and not selecting what facts you accept on what personal belief you happen to hold.
In normal conditions, I agree, but since there is a comparison here, then the conditions are not normal, so they felt there is a need to use such events to say something. what is a drop of a hat for you, might not be the same for somebody else, somebody may see a football game is worth to make riots and kill over it, other might see it a drop of a hat, it depends on the meanings of things to each of these two persons. I did not want to discuss whether Hitler is Catholic or not, some might say he was others might say he was not, take Stalin for example, he was responsible for the killing of millions, and he was Atheist.
Some say Hitler wasn't catholic, and some say he was. One of the people who said he was was Hitler himself. The pope seems to think he was too. Interesting fact: The only member of the Nazi party to be excommunicated from the church was Goebbels, Because he married a protestant, Not for killing 6 million jews. Stalin was an atheist, so was pol pot, They done some terrible things. The thing is, Stalin and pol pot didn't commit their atrocities because of atheism, They done it because they were insane dictators.
I m more to believe he was Catholic, but this can be argued thats why I did not want to use it as an example, somebody might say, not everybody who says I m Catholic is Catholic like not anybody who says I m God is God, like saying Hitler was Catholic who did terrible things, but he did not commit it because he was Catholic, but because he was insane dictator.
I wouldn't say Hitlers catholicism caused him to be a brutal dictator, But in his books there is evidence that he found justification for it in the bible.