No Place for Hijab in Civic Life says Irish Journalist - another Islamaphobia

Irish Independent writer Martina Devlin :
"If Muslim men are so keen on seeing their headscarf introduced into Irish society, they should wear it as well as their women. Let them cover up, too. Otherwise there must be no place for the hijab in civic life here. Not in banks, hospitals or libraries, not in the guards or civil service and most definitely not in schools.

"You hear a constant stream of hooey about why we can't ban the headscarf. But this is not about Islamophobia. It's not about prejudice on race or religion grounds. It's not about equating the Muslim scarf with terrorism. It's not about denial of civil rights. Here's what banning the headscarf is about: the State demonstrating our belief in gender equality. It's about removing a symbol of repression and submission.

"... it is not discriminatory to ban the hijab in a country that is culturally Christian.... Of course, some nuns wear veils but that's of their own volition as adult women – not a custom they are railroaded into as children....

"I don't regard the hijab as a harmless expression of religious and cultural diversity. A veiled woman carries regressive connotations. If we accept it in schools, we open the door to other practices in the Muslim world even more repressive to women, among them arranged marriages and female circumcision."

http://goreymuslimcommunity.typepad...ijab-in-civic-life-says-irish-journalist.html

 

Why they dont say "No Place for kimono in Civic Life" ?
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This is what the world is coming to. Gender Equality will trump the personal preference of women to wear hijab.

Who do he think they are punishing by such a ruling? Islamic women who like to wear hijab.

And counter to what many may believe, a lot of Islamic women and in particular young women, prefer to wear hijab.

Only an idiot equates a headscarf to repression.

You know what sort of people write these things? People who have never met with, befriended or gotten to know any Muslim families.

 

Here's an odd idea: If you don't like the cultural standards in Ireland, don't go. Women in Ireland probably hold the majority of financial and political power. Would it be OK if a bunch of Irish women showed up in Mecca wearing jeans and tshirts, trying to open bank accounts, and run for public office?

In America, a hajib doesn't seem so out of place because we already accept whatever culture people bring with them. Ireland isn't really like that, they have their own culture and I agree with the author that this idea doesn't fit the Irish culture at all.

 

A dress code is a cultural standard? It's 2008 btw.

Well, isn't that what separates the West from so-called "repressive governments"?

If the answer is to become equally repressive, I fear we are heading in the wrong direction.

 

You know, I wasn't going to leap to Islamophobia, but you are right.

Unless they want to ban all head scarves, whether it is an orthodox christian woman from Hungary, or a Muslim.

IMO, the reason why these laws are so incredibly stupid, is that they restrict all women, in the name of fighting the repression of women. That is, unless they single out Muslims, which is religious discrimination. But really, how can you tell if a woman is Muslim, or dressed like a Muslim?

Government intervention and moralistic law making = TEH BAD.

 

Who says they are repressive? I'm talking about cultural relativism, what is fine in one place is not going to be acceptable in another.

Law or not, a woman in a veil is seriously disconnected from civic life in Ireland, where women are looked to as leaders and problem-solvers and planners.

Yes it is or this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

 

I am going to start a religion where all the men where black or camouflage and must wear either a ski mask or ninja mask that covers all but eyes and mouth. Carry a semi-automatic holy book protector and the Krayola holy book at all times. We will stop everything except self-defense 3 times a day and 2 times at night to face a mirror and repeat one of 10 prayers.

And then I will sue every city or state that doesn't allow us to practice our religion. Sue any employer for not hiring or firing one of us because of our prayer schedule etc...

Guerilla I hope you will be part of my defense.

 

Dude, this is a hijab,



And this is a elderly greek woman wearing a head scarf



and this is some retro chick wearing a head scarf



Hjiab is not a veil. The problem here is ignorance IMO.

And I can't think of anything more oppressive to a woman, than telling her what she can wear, or not allowing parents to dress their children in a culturally traditional manner.

 

Hejab or Hijab is good for a Man or Woman
i don't like to walk in street which all womans have no dress

 

I won't defend you suing employers, because I believe the employer has a right to discriminate against someone who refuses to wear a company uniform and has to take multiple prayer breaks per day. There should be no "positive obligation" on free enterprise to accommodate every sort of employee belief system.

As for your city or state, they should not be mandating any form of dress code in a free society and I would work tirelessly for your defense in this regard. Not to mention, that you have private property rights which entitle you to carry a semi-automatic holy book protector.

 

this picture is from Ireland:

 

Is this really an independent Irish writers proposition or an Irish pub drunk's? I mean, seriously.

 

And here is one of the comments on the original article:

I see the nuns in the same way I see all religious fanatics, fantastically deluded.

The Irish have suffered at the hand of Imperialists and the Religious for thousands of years and we will NOT let it happen again.

link

 

Thanks for the link

"I see the nuns in the same way I see all religious fanatics, fantastically deluded. .....

The Irish have suffered at the hand of Imperialists and the Religious for thousands of years and we will NOT let it happen again."

there is a mix between what they have suffered from the fanatic Christians, and the freedom to wear whatever women want to wear, he was not clear so he used "religious" in the same pot when he meant Christians, of course, nuns wearing what they wear now in the picture, did not make him suffer now, and I m sure the source of the suffering before was not what the nuns were wearing at that time, and what Muslim women chose to wear at this time.

In a democratic society were people can choose their representatives they can choose not to vote for "religious fanatics".

its up to them and their laws of course, just IMO, women of all religions should be free to wear whatever they want, as some of them, prefer to wear hijab, or cover, because they believe its more pure for them, and will prevent perverts or those who approach them for their looking not for their minds, or that they do not have to show their legs and breasts to tell the others "we are liberated" they see there are else ways to say so, whether you agree with this or not, they have a point, and those who prefer to wear jeans and short also have a point, I believe both points should be considered and the decision of what they should wear is left for them.

 

Perfectly said Imad. A person should have the freedom to dress as they see fit. Democracy is all about this.

 

She can still be problem-solvers under the viel or wearing head-scarfs. Unless you think wearing scarfs or veils slows their brain activity or drops down their IQ.

If in a country they are allowed to wander nude on beaches or on streets then there shouldn't be any law against man/women who want to dress modest or anyway they like.

 

What is this?

 

I believe that is a "Burka" (Burqa ~ sp?)

It's not the same as hijab. You gotta remember that orthodox Christian women have traditionally worn head scarves. It's not exclusively an Islamic thing.