Israel and Syria officially confirm indirect talks

The same can be said about you, and others, when you see somebody supporting the Palestinians, or criticizing Israel, the point here, and I believe swaymedia was right when he called your post semi-spam, is that if you really believe in your cause, you would discuss it, not the persons talking about it, whether it was support, or criticism.

 

Yep.

If you are so outraged if I merely suggest that as a last resort I would not rule out using WMD to protect my family, then certainly you are also outraged by hamas and hezbollah killing innocent civilians, correct? If so, then maybe I will reconsider my position. Let me know...

 

Rebecca, why do you always say Hamas and Hezbollah and killing civillians but never mention when Israel does it? Do Israelis get a special privlidge to kill who they want?

 

Oh, it's a last resort. That changes everything. Murder is always ok as a last resort, right?

It's easy to throw stones Rebecca, but you're just as much a fanatic and zealot as I am. It just has to be teased out of you, because you don't post a lot, and rarely present an opinion.

As far as rape, child sex I have clearly indicated I am against it. I question the legality of it. I can add child porn to this list. However, you haven't said you are against mass murder, on the contrary, you have said you are for mass murder, to protect your family.

So who is the bad guy? The guy who disagrees with the law, but still thinks the acts are evil and reprehensible, or the gal, who thinks that dropping a nuke on 200,000 civilians is justified as self defense?

It's no surprise you never have a critical word for Israel. Their tactics fit your morality. Committing terrorism, under the guise of self defense.

 

Well what do you expect from zionists, Guerilla?

 

That's a very good question. Rebecca seems to believe that she, and the Israelis can kill with impunity, but anyone who questions the age of consent law in Texas is a deviant.

It's truly an insight into how some people's minds work.

Murder, ok. Terrorism, ok. Apartheid, ok. 14 year olds having sex? EVIL!

 

I dare you to find any of my posts where I even merely suggested that hamas and hezbollah doing good thing by killing innocent civilians. The problem with you is that you see no problem in killing civilians when your ass is on line but you are outrage when others doing that. If anyone supports hamas and hezbollah attacking innocent civilians it is you and only you. They are only protecting themselves as a last resort...
Of course, when Israel attacking and killing innocent civilians it's not a problem for you, right? They have your full support in doing that and also 60% americans...

 

Even you see people who work in the UN comparing Israel's policys to Nazi germany, Zionists are very comparitivley similar to Nazis. Israel supporters are modern day Nazis it seems.

 

So you denounce the attacks by Hamas and hezbollah against civilians, correct?

 

I find it illuminating that there was another thread, where it supposedly took 3 or 4 or more Palestinians to kill an Israeli, and the Israeli dead were composed of like 30% military, and yet people were arguing that the Israelis were the ones who were being terrorized because more women had been killed.

It doesn't take a lot of intelligence, to ask why it would take 4 Palestinians to kill 1 Israeli woman. Even if they were the most incompetent terrorists in the history of the world, I can't see that holding true for more than 2 or 3 murders in the sample.

It's typical of the rhetoric on Israel and Palestine. If you speak out against Israel, you're labelled all sorts of things. Even someone like me, that tries to read Ha'aretz regularly and stay informed from an Israeli perspective.

And condemning all terrorism (and war) as I have, someone translates into not being tough enough on Palestinians or Syrian terrorists, when you can never get a browntwn for instance, to own up to the fact that Israel commits terrorism when it kills Palestininan civilians. Or that Ariel "The Butcher of Beirut" Sharon is a war criminal.

 

And the fact is. Most Israelis would happily live peacefully side by side with Palestinians, i have talked with many of them. They say that they don't care for the politics and just want to live in peace in the holy land, and they say that the settlers make a bad name for the 'real israelis' as they act like animals.

 

Anyone attacking innocent civilians is wrong and commiting war crimes. Generals from my country who done that are in Hague accussed for war crimes. How about Israeli war criminals? Where are they? You do support attacking civilians so I guess you can understand why Hamas and Hezbollah doing that, right?

 

Which ones? I read that during the beiruit war, Hezbollah only attacked civillian areas after Israel broke an agreement that they would not target civillians, so after Israel killed some Lebanese civillians, Hezbollah showed no mercy and done the same in return. Fair play.

 

You are the pathetic tool that calls every American President for the last 2 decades a war criminal, but can't seem to muster a bad word about America's enemies. If you had an ounce of integrity you would hold these other governments and groups to the same standards you hold America to, but you don't. The reason is obvious.

You are the one who claims he is a Republican. It is your party, that led us to war.

Of course, guerilla gets to personally claim no responsibility for anything done wrong by the republicans or by America - but he has no issue personally blaming people on DP for policies of other Presidents. He has no problem calling others killers for food-for-oil. But of course, he has no responsibility for anything. A bigger weasel does not exist on these boards.

 

I do hold them to the same standard. I am universally against violence.

However, I can only change what happens in my country.

Clinton dropped 20,000 bombs on Serbia/Kosovo. Lyndon Johnson led us into Vietnam. I have no doubt that if the President was Bush or Gore, we were going to war. Remember, regime change of Saddam was a Clinton doctrine.

You can call me a weasel, but I have never supported aggressive violence. I don't support war. I can't find an excuse to use WMDs. I am consistent on this.

So how you would think I would bear any culpability for war, or for terrorism or for police harassment or for rape or for any other violence, is beyond me.

You however, repeatedly avoid addressing Israel's terrorism. That when a military conducts action against civilians, this is terrorism. And the IDF does kill a lot of Palestinians, not all of whom can be identified as (sic) terrorists.

I think it's pretty clear which of us stands where. You have repeatedly endorsed Israel's violence. You have justified American violence. For you, killing is acceptable and normal, as long as your ideological faction is doing it.

Again, I reject this. Killing is immoral and wrong. At worst it should be done in self defense, but when 3 or 4 times as many Palestinians die as Israelis in a conflict, you have to ask what measure of self defense is justified. Genocide?

 

Thank you, I am impressed. I thought you were going to try to defend them. As far as WMD go, I can think of no time in history I would actually have used them. I would go to extremes to protect my family, but in reality WMD wouldn't be that helpful in scenario I am thinking of. Like if someone was right there attacking us, WMD wouldn't be that useful, a gun yes, a bomb, probably not. And no, I don't think Israel, Hamas, or Hezbollah should attack innocent civilians.

 

Guerilla this is exactly what got me riled up before. An act of terrorism should be denounced on both sides, yet the neocons Dismiss any brutality against their side as just being maybe a slight strategic error yet go buck wild when its committed against their side. Trust me neocons there is a huge difference between the civilian people of both sides and their leaders. There are many many people on both sides that want peace and we should never discount this.

Lets talk about settlement building, why does it keep going on??????????
This is one of the issues that is making this situation flare up constantly.
Its not enough for both people to want peace. They need to have moderates on both sides that want peace also, and these moderates have to dominate the talks not only in their countries but in the media also. For some reason i dont see that happening in fox news lol


Iggysick hezbolla has now crossed that line and has killed civilians.

 

Hamas also declared to kill Jews worldwide. It is frightening, I do see them as terrorists. Part of my support for Israel isn't necessarily because I think they do everything right 100% of the time, but it is my revulsion for who is supporting the Palestinian side.

 

Would you kill innocent Israelis if it would save your family?

I'm really trying to get a grasp on how committed you are to murder of innocent civilians.

 

Gee, I don't know Guerilla. Would you make porn videos of 12 yr. olds?

I'm really trying to get a grasp on how committed you are to child porn.