Can you figure it out???? experienced help required plzzz

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by true_promote, May 17, 2008.

  1. #1
    I had built a new website and done the perfect on-page seo.I did the following off page seo:
    1-directory submission on many new directories announced in here DP
    2-social bookmarking in around 12 bookmarking sites
    3-no reciprocal linking was done ,no black-hat and all the links were one way links.

    so here's the problem
    initially my site was ranking very well for many targetted terms.But suddenly they fell down severely.my pages were however still indexed in google.
    then after around some 30-40 days my serp recovered(with PR update) but not gain the same position as earlier.My competiting sites have not done any prominent fresh seo either.So whats the real problem???
    is directory submission/social bookmarking harmful?Or is it something else.

    I am really worried because i feel like every new site that i create will suffer the same thing.

    and if you are good enough then please share your experiences of doing latest seo on new websites(may be i will follow them for my future projects)
     
    true_promote, May 17, 2008 IP
  2. Burningbarricade

    Burningbarricade Peon

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    #2
    I'm wondering the same thing.

    I posted in this forum a while ago that I'd done about a month of onpage and offpage optimizing having read 4 books on the subject and countless hours on forums.

    I was at about page 5/6 to begin with, now I'm page 9/10.

    I was told on here thats its normal to drop in the rankings while google re-evaluates your site.

    That was a couple of weeks ago tho and in between my site has went up a page rank but not in the SERPs. I asked a similar question on another forum and was told I was probably being penalised!

    Is this all normal?

    Help!
     
    Burningbarricade, May 17, 2008 IP
  3. true_promote

    true_promote Well-Known Member

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    #3
    this is an important issue but why am i not getting any responses
     
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  4. The Stealthy One

    The Stealthy One Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    #4
    Your site was sandboxed. It is normal for any new site, especially one that achieves so many backlinks in such a short period of time. Keep plugging away - improvements will come, but you must be patient.
     
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  5. true_promote

    true_promote Well-Known Member

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    #5
    i think my site is already out of sandbox with the pr update
    serp has improved but not to previous state
    help
     
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  6. true_promote

    true_promote Well-Known Member

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    #6
    now this is a serious issue
    plz reply
     
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  7. massiva

    massiva Active Member

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    #7
    Nothing to worry your site is new. I was sandboxed 3 times in first year. It is also helpful if you pay several years ahead for your hosting. It means "business" for Google.
     
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  8. jg123

    jg123 Notable Member

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    If you don't tell us the URL it is not really possible to do much more than guess.
     
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  9. SuccessDesire

    SuccessDesire Peon

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    Aye, perhaps you should give your web url for SEO expert to check it for you

    A doctor cant cure his of her patient without seeing them and checking their symptoms right?
     
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  10. seo4china

    seo4china Well-Known Member

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    #10
    Pretty obvious case of sandbox issue. Your domain is not old enough and therefore doesn't carry enough trust with Google. Actually having a whole bunch of links to a new site would seem unnatural to Google. Let the domain age, build some RELEVANT links over time, and you should be fine.
     
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  11. Burningbarricade

    Burningbarricade Peon

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    #11
    What about my site?

    www.traditionalirishgifts.com

    the site has been online since august last year currently languishing in the 10th page having previously been on th 5th before SEO. Is it normal for Google to put you down the rankings for a while after you make changes to your site? If so how long does it usually last?
     
    Burningbarricade, May 18, 2008 IP
  12. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #12
    It's not sandboxed the sandbox no longer exists. It never did....There is an aging delay.

    It's actually you violated Googles Trust......Here is why....

    You're filtered for artificial links you acquired....

    Simple as that, and for the person who said they were sandboxed 3 times in a year, you too were given a filter for artificial link building.

    Google has a loop hole.....

    New links have to effect SERP in order for important news such as Typhoons Hurricanes Earthquakes New Products to get to the top of the Google SERPs so people can find information.

    Knowing this link spammers pose as SEOs and build links to clients sites, or some people come to DP forums and other forums, and read terrible information on how link building helps boost rankings.....

    Look in the services sections for those who offer 1,000s of links and the number who respond :rolleyes:

    Problem is once Google sees the crap links they apply a filter to your site and drop your site to lower results as you no longer can be trusted.

    Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I set it straight as much as I can.

    :)
     
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    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #13
    You have a few issues going on...

    Title tag weighting and density is blown out. Should be limited to 9 to 12 words no more than 96 characters.

    Keyword - Irish - spammed out

    Meta tags spammed with the word - Irish

    Alt image tags stuffed inaccurate.....a proper tag used once or twice on the page top 2 image would be alt="irish gifts image"

    Over use of links throughout the site with keywords and anchors.

    Comments in code stuffed with keyword terms.

    Basically you're trying too hard to get rankings, and Google is telling you that by filtering your site to lowered results and leaving you there.
     
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    jg123 Notable Member

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    #14
    Yes you for sure have a penalty, that footer text is clearly keyword spam, title is stuffed and your categories in the sidebar are a duplicate of the same links in the body. I only took a quick glance but those jumped out at me.

    One of the most important things a good SEO does is not only analyze your site but spends considerable time looking at your competition and what they are doing. You should try and do the same. The way your site is optimized is a fantastic example of why the SEO industry will never die :)
     
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  15. Burningbarricade

    Burningbarricade Peon

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    Thanks for the info guys.

    I did a bit of research on my competitors. The one who tops the SERPs for the key phrase "Irish gifts" is www . irishinspiration . com

    They seems to put keywords everywhere which is why I thought I ought to as well.

    If I remove the spammy footer and the spammy bit at the top of the main page do you think my problems will correct themselves?
     
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  16. freelistfool

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    #16
    I don't think you're under any type of penalty. Your site ranks #1 for "Traditional Irish Gifts", #13 for "Irish Gifts from Ireland", and #23 for "Irish Gifts". If you were under penalty for any of these keywords you wouldn't rank higher than #31.

    My advice is to add some good content to your pages and continue your link building efforts. Don't go crazy on the link building. Just do 15 minutes a day from one of the various free directory lists (varying the link text). Then spend 45 minutes a day trying to get webmasters that would be interested in your site to link back to you. You'll bounce to the first page if you can attract some quality links.
     
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  17. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #17
    The only problem with your advice is you based 2 of the 3 terms as being terms that people use to search but research will show you that traditional irish gifts and irish gifts from ireland bring little to no traffic.

    Being # 1 for a non traffic driving term leaves a warm fuzzy feeling at best and usually results in checks with dollar figures like below:

    $0.00

    Irish gifts would be his primary term, and as such he was given advice based on such...

    ;)
     
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  18. freelistfool

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    Sem-Advance, your advice was good. I agree he should clean up the site a bit. My only intent wast to clarify that from the keywords he has in this post he probably isn't under a penalty.
     
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    astup1didiot Notable Member

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    Do you even know how Google places penalties on "web pages"? You wouldn't get a penalty for massive keyword injection, you just wouldn't rank at all properly for that specific web page.
     
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  20. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #20
    Good post :)

    Googles only penalty is a ban......

    What Google does is apply filters.... when webmasters make errors in judgement let's say....
     
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