It's been taken more that any place on Earth. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel ... -- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council, Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977 "The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 A.D. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years...," the Muslim chairman of the Syrian Delegation attested in his remarks to the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 I was asking when did the Palestinians change their name from Philistines: I found the answer! According to the Reverend James Parkes, "The Land was named Palestina by he Romans to eradicate all trace of its Jewish history..."
I guess also God name it Philistia in the old testament for the same purpose too? besides, if that was true, then how stupid the Romans were, it has a name already which was Philistia that has no trace of Jewish, why do they need to change it? maybe they changed Ammon name for the same purpose too? and most important, as if nobody would know its old name if they changed it edit: Romans must been anti-semitic to do such a naughty thing, and think they would escape with it
what happened to Canaanites and Philistines? did God wipe them off the map, to empty the land for the chosen?
Genesis 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. Genesis 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. Genesis 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Genesis 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Then this is what GOD said: Numbers 33:51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan; Numbers 34:2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof Numbers 34:29 These are they whom the LORD commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan.
does this answer the question? if so, I then may need some interpretations, cos I did not get it, there were people there before the Jewish, what happened to them, who are the Canaanites and Philistines in the old testament? did they live there before the Jewish people come?
Genesis 26:14 For he had possession of flocks, and possession of herds, and great store of servants: and the Philistines envied him. Genesis 26:15 For all the wells which his father's servants had digged in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth. Genesis 26:18 And Isaac digged again the wells of water, which they had digged in the days of Abraham his father; for the Philistines had stopped them after the death of Abraham: and he called their names after the names by which his father had called them. Exodus 13:17 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt: Exodus 23:31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee. Joshua 13:2 This is the land that yet remaineth: all the borders of the Philistines, and all Geshuri,
I m going to sleep now, but will read your reply tomorrow, I would appreciate it too, if you explained to me, how there can be plants flourishing before there was a sun, as it says in the old testament, in Genesis 1:11-19.
Samuel 7:14 And the cities which the Philistines had taken from Israel were restored to Israel, from Ekron even unto Gath; and the coasts thereof did Israel deliver out of the hands of the Philistines. And there was peace between Israel and the Amorites. Ezekiel 25:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; Ezekiel 25:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. Amos 1:8 And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.
1. You can't know that they were the ancestors of the Arabs. You don't have any proof. 2. You are taking half-sentences and present them in the way that you want to show it. the fact is that Egypt threatened on Israel so many times in the weeks before the war. more than that, after Sinai war(1956), Israel returned Sinai to Egypt, and said that if Egypt will close Tyran Isthmuses again, that will be a reason for war. and Egypt did so before Six Days War. 3. no no no. not Jewish emigration. I am talking about more than 800,000+ Jews refugees that have been expelled from Arab countries to Israel with nothing. but instead of crying to the media and the world about that, Israel acted. and now there is 0 refugees in Israel and 4 million (from 700K) refugees in Arab countries.
so when palestanians say that "israelis want their land and want to move them " they could be talking about this "transfer" plan of yours and that this is what they see in some segments of the settlers. what percentage of settlers would you say have this opinion? i think i am what you would consider normal left.
I m like pizzaman do not know the point you are trying to make, I read these verses again, like the one that says Philistines had taken cities from Israel, and they been restored, but I have already showed you, also from a verse in Old Testament, that Abraham had spent a vacation in Philistines land, so the time context, is much before Judaism, and you did not answer me, who are the philistines, and Canaanites, if they are not the ancestors or Arabs, and Palestinians? what happened to them? in addition, you said that God got angry at them, because they did not follow his path, and tore their Israel apart, but he also said if they will go back to the correct path, he will bring them back, I can show you verses from Qur'an, that are much more accurate, but what's the use, you do not believe that the Qur'an is God's word, and I do not believe that Old testament in full, is God's words, I believe it have been changed, and I know many Jews and Christians share the same opinion. using your logic, I do not think expelling people from their homes using massacres and killing, is being on God's path, or is God's teaching, and for sure, if he was angry at them in the ancient history, for not following his ways, he would be more angry for the killing, and massacres, and torturing, and oppressing they practice now, this is no way something pleasant to God.
I don't know exactly but i think that most of the settlers are rightists at least. from your words, I understand that you support expelling 260,000 Jews from their homes? OK, so you support transfer too, just on the contrary.
before talking to you i was looking for an alternative like the settlers should be able to become palestanian citizens. after you said that the transfer of million people should not be deficult i figured that israel has a way of doing it in a way that is not harmfull to the population that she wants to move.
you got me wrong. most of the 15,000 Jews that Israel expelled from their homes in 2005 because of the international pressure, still living in caravans and hotels. I said that 50% of the Palestinians wants to live in another country. that is a good start, right? believe me, no one of the 260,000 Jews on Judea and Samaria want to leave.
the only thing that can happen to them under "Palestinian" rule is DEATH. Should i give you some examples about what happened to Israelis that entered "Palestinian" cities by mistake?
there will be peace by then. i do not see any problem like that in jordan. or in haifa, can you go in a palestanian area in haifa?