Ringtones are a bitch-need some advice from an Aff Mktg Pro!

OK- Over 3M Impressions a day now on the G content network...
got that part down...or at least Im getting traffic..related to the topic of music.

2)Targeting artists, and other related niches. MANY ad groups across several campaigns.

3) using text and image ads..creatives/banners from the ringtone providers mostly.
4) Average cpc= $.09, and about .03-.04% ctr.

5) LP's are targetted to kw's, and are very similar to the big boys out there..
(thank you for all the spy tools..they work great at researching niche competition)
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Here is the problem: POOR conversions.
Im converting only at about 1:150.... !

Only thing I can guess is that the KW's are wrong, or the LP's, even though they are relevant, are not enough.
I go from ad click-> our lp -> ringtone aff lp... I know some have talked about funneling where they add another LP in the mix..

Anyone have any suggestions? Be glad to pay a nice consulting fee for someone that can fix this serious riddle..

 

I still hear tons of people making $7-10k/day off of ringtones. I thought ringtones were dead already...

 

I think ringtones might be the wrong thing to market. They main companies are turning to TV to advertise. Kids now are going to need parents permission it seems before being able to download ringtones...( Not sure on this )

Adding in another click to the process is only going to lose more consumers.

Why do you think e-commerce sites have continued to refine / streamline the steps between placing a product in the shopping cart and paying??

They found the more steps till checkout the higher the abandonment rate was....

I would also have to believe if you can market ringtones there are another 50 categories you could make money in and probably a lot more....

 

Sounds like it costs you approx. $13.50 to acquire a lead (150 x $.09 CPC)... which should give you a TINY profit if you're making between $15-$17 per ringtone lead...

Since you're promoting tons of different sub niches... my 1st question would be this... are you properly tracking the placement sites and the content ad groups that are bringing you in the conversions?

I am sure you must have some ad groups which are probably bringing you in the majority of your income... while there are probably others which are eating away at your profits.

If you know what's converting real well for you, you can increase your advertising dollars for that particular ad group... and make other ad groups similiar to those... and if you know what ad groups suck, you can delete them... or decrease your advertising in that area.

Ringtones are dead -- Everybody STOP promoting them right now!

 

They're not dead, just way more difficult than it used to be.

Now you actually have to try hahaha.

 

Jonathan ....Cheffy was trying to kill off the competition I think lol......

Ringtones are dead, so are dating offers, clickbank affiliate marketing, zip submits, payday loans....

 

Affiliate Marketing is dead. Everybody BACK to 9-5 jobs RIGHT NOW!

Actually Jonathan's huge chunk of 10k/day comes from Ringtones.

 

..well theyre dead for ME....
Im still chuggin along to find out what piece of the puzzle is missing..
Webgenesis- I am tracking and yes I do have a few kw's/groups that are towing the line...and can weed out the crap for sure...
Sem-Advance- I too believe another step interrupting the buying process is a nail in the coffin for conversions too..I dont like an additional lp brought into the mix..I know about others talking about funneling...and I havent tested it yet, but my common sense filter keeps telling me thats a waste of time-

Johnathan- "Trying" is an understatement here-If you only knew the resources, money and time that has been spent trying to crack the "code" here...Something tells me you do know what this takes..

 

How do you figure that? You have no proof..


Want easy money? Go back to Macdonald's.. The ringtones niche is not easy.. If you want an easy niche find something else.

 

Jeremy- read the thread pal...never said we wanted EASY money. And someones screenshot of anything is no proof of anything. Photoshop can make fake money let alone fake screenshots. How about adding something to the thread here-------

 

I agree with Brian. Why do you need proof? Like other affiliates, I don't like to brag about how much I make. Jeremy, before you make a post that sounds like an arrogant idiot, which is directed towards super affiliates who rake in more than $50k/month, think twice. I know what niches volk, uber and other top guys are into and the last thing I would do is post their urls for guys like you who are looking for opportunities to grab someone else's ideas and copy them. I am doing good with ringtones, but I will not post my screenshots just because I need some JOE's endorsement about how good I am. Enough said. If you follow aj's thread closely, he HAS given a bit of his secret missing step, and I have figured that out already. In fact, I have seen his ads and landing pages. Again, I will not disclose anything beyond this because I don't need anybody's endorsements. Brian wants advise, and so it'd be better if we keep this thread on-topic.

I knew Shoemoney was into ringtones waay back in 2005, before he announced the world about ringtones in April 2006 which was the beginning of the end of the ringtones. Ringtones are not dead, and they will never be. There is just oversaturation. It goes back to the economics rule of demand and supply.

Call me whatever you want to Jeremy, but you're not going to get the screenshots or proof.

 

Ringtones should be dead, you can make your own from mp3s and send them to your phone for free.

Anyways... I am just reading to learn, so I don't really have any advice. I just wanted to point that out.

It is amazing how much money people make with affiliate marketing.

 

They are not dead yet, I know a few people still making good money off ringtones, I would say their is just way to much competition, the market is already saturated.

 

Got to love when the big money players bring the smackdown hard lol....

Brian I think youre on the right track and could make even more money running a few different offers that are hot now....

I doubt ringtones is dead ....the ringtone people will always have something new for the next generation mobile communications devices. Might be called Bluetooth Tones or Headgear Ringers....

BrentsTeam - No actually they should not be dead...you miss one thing in your post.... and that is the consumer / end user...

Consumers do not want to do work.....people are inherently lazy and as such will pay to have what they want, when they want.

It's why fast food worked ....easier to buy some nights, than throwing together a meal prepared at home and by hand.

Till you get into the consumer mindset / consumer intent you will struggle to make money....

Peace!

 

REPLY to 'brentsteam'.

Not everybody knows how to do this. Just because YOU do it doesn't mean that other people do too.

I hate it when people like you make statements like that.\

It's like saying you can download music on the net for free if you look in the right places - so why do people pay to download music?.

There is still money in everything. You just need to know how to play the game.

It's definately NOT for the weak!!

 

It's like this with ringtones... unless you have a very unique slant towards marketing ringtones, a person who is a newbie to PPC or Affiliate Marketing is going to have a very tough, uphill battle making a HUGE profit off of ringtones.

With Google knocking people's ringtones sites off left and right because of their new ringtones marketing policies (must have checkbox on ringtone merchant page, etc.)... it makes it pretty gruesome for newbies to enter in unless...

1) You have huge cash flow.
2) You have some Ninja-like, PPC skills.

While it's possible for a newbie to make money on ringtones, the odds are highly stacked against them... and it would probably be better for a newbie to get experience promoting less competitive offers... then when they have experience, move into saturated markets such as ringtones, payday loans, dating, etc.

Remember, more times than not... it's better to be the BIG fish in a small pond, rather than a small fish in a big pond

 

Well your post is assuming I don't already know what his url's are..

Most affiliates don't TELL people something is not dead if they are making money..... TRUE affiliates hide their secrets instead of saying "I am doing good with ringtones".

Webgenesis and redz made a good point.

 

And Ive got some pms that were also friendly and helpful. There is money in this to say the least, but its "hard money".

And lets face it- there are ALOT of lurkers in dp who are doing well in this and other niches...and we will never hear from them. They dont brag, they aren't signing up newbie affiliates on their blogs to get fresh blood out of them based on real or bogus earning screenshots etc etc.

The real answers are in between the long hours of self testing-