A 4-year-old victim of Islam in India, willit ever stop!?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Ckrismoney, May 14, 2008.

  1. iWrite

    iWrite Peon

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    #81
    Mia, maybe you should pay attention before sounding off. There are Millions of Muslims in the world, and only a small percentage are terrorists. Many of these Muslims to do follow Islam very closely.

    Rebecca, that's only two quote from the Q'uran, and they still do not say to kill Jews.
     
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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #82
    I have. That is why I said what I said. ;)
     
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  3. imad

    imad Peon

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    #83
    they are not the only ones, I will tell you why but for now, I did not deny that Muslims kill in the name of their God and their religion, in the contrary, its 100% true, and not joking here, Muslims are the only ones from the three Abrahamic religions who kept on their faith this long, without clear visions sometimes and miss interpretations , but this will all be gone hopefully when they agree on re-establishing the Caliphate.

    but killing in the name of "their God" and "their religion" which I personally believe its the true only one God and the true religion, is did justly, against other people who fight them.

    unlike Judaism for example, where true Jews became ineffective minority, and been called with names, like nuts, self-hating Jews.. etc, just because they are trying to keep on their faith and true Torah teachings, the other Jews "evolved" and removed their religion because it contradicts with their projects of occupation, stealing, killing, how can they kill now in Palestine, when their true religion tells them do not kill? so there was a real need for some kind of evolution, and make them a race, instead of a religion, so even if you worship a calf, you are still a Jew, but still, when religion has some benefit for them, they claim they are religious and implementing God's promise on Earth, and in the name of the promised land and the chosen people, stole other people homeland and claim it for themselves, with all that killing and torture and oppressing since before 1948 till now,

    for them, they are not killing in the name of God or religion sometimes because, the kind of killing they do can't be justified in any God's name or any religion, in such case, the killing is done falsely in the name of self defense when they are still occupying other people lands, and stealing their properties without giving it back or give them compensation till now,

    killing in the name of lies, like weapons of mass destruction, liberty, and such things, also is done in masses, when the fact can be killing in the name of oil, so how can it be justified by religion, even though Bush said God told him to do so, but I th ink just few people take Bush seriously now, so its done in the name of oil, not God (unless if their God is oil, then its in the name of God too)

    so yes, since Muslims are keeping on their faith, and do not see there is the need for it to "evolve", or to be changed so it would become flexible with aggressors, and occupiers, and murderers, or with perverts.. but they see, there is a need to change of course and get back to the true teachings of Islam to remove any misunderstanding of the religion among themselves first, before others, not only Muslims, there are some non-Muslims countries too that are using some of the Shari'a laws, and some other countries demanding to use them.
     
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  4. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #84
    IMHO in today's world this is no longer valid, there are laws of the country. There are NO justifications for anymore of such killings.

     
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  5. imad

    imad Peon

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    #85
    I agree, laws are not something new in Islam, including the laws of war, against aggressors, when these days international laws are not of any use in removing unjust or giving the rights back to their owners.
     
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  6. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #86
    Jesus Christ. He was and is and is to come. And His followers are suppose to be His representatives to those who don't know Him, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

    If you think the pope represents Christianity, then show me in the Bible where it says that. Very simple chore.
     
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  7. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #87
    IMHO The Pope represents the Catholics which is one branch of Christianity, he does not represent Christianity per se.

     
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  8. imad

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    #88
    its not one generation, its still happening, you heard about Rwanda, and you said, it was something tribal, and Christianity has nothing to do with it, maybe you are right, I do not have much info, so maybe you can explain to me few points regarding it,

    I know Christianity, does not call for killing, and as you mentioned earlier, when somebody becomes Christians, he is fulled with love to all, unlike (as you said) who convert to Islam, they became violent,

    so explain to me why did this happen:

    according to what you said, he is Christian, he should be spreading love not fires to burn people alive.

    not only they are Christians, they are religious men, priests, who are supposed to teach love, understanding, forgiveness.

    flammable nuns!

    isn't 12 years, and 15 years in prison in Belgium is just little for what they did?

    of course..

    so it did not stop, whenever they have the chance, to do it, they will do it, since those refused Jesus to be their savior ( who could not save himslef as they believe) so they saw, it would be good to burn them alive now, since they will burn anyway in hell.

    will it ever stop? where are the other "branches" of Christianity to stop this murderous branch?

    source
     
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  9. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    imad,

    That was tribal, once again. I said "Christianity can't change a people who are savage cold turkey."

    I also said "why do you think they have churches and islamic services in prisons, because religious people make mistakes too.

    They were not burning people for religious reasons so, it wasn't in the name of Christ.

    They were very crazy people though. :eek:

    I said earlier that, in the old days everybody was violent, all people. And many still are.

    Since violence is such a huge part of free will. I'm glad GOD does not hide it from us. We always have to beware and stay alert. That's how it is in Los Angeles.

    There's only one reason why every single person on the planet isn't a Christian.

    They won't ask GOD to make Himself Lord of their life. He proved it with his word for those who want to know HIS Love,Wrath, and communication. HE told us all that HE would do through out time.

    And if you think violence is everywhere now, wait until the tribulation goes in full swing!
    That part of the Bible is really bad for us Christians all over the world. It said we would be beheaded for being Christians.
    Revelation 20:4
    And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20

    We can see islam heading the way for the beheadings of Christians now. That is coming true too.
    But you won't just find GOD in a book. It's like trying to put the universe in a cup.

    That's why a person has to pray for GOD to reveal who HE is to them in a real way. And really mean it. HE told us all that HE would do through out time. HE is real and if people would ask Him to reveal Himself and His plan for their life it will happen.

    They would know who GOD is just like most of us real Christians do. A genuine prayer for GOD to reveal Himself to you and reading the Bible makes us know GOD more at first. Once HE reveals Himself and His plan to you, you will be instructed to be baptized in water. Then you will want to pray to be filled with the Holy Spirit, you will feel it come directly into you.

    It may fill good or shocking and overtaking. I've experienced both. GOD is Spirit and so are you, us Christians aren't just Bible readers we really have visions of the future, lay hands on the sick and they recover, and have a knowledge of the presents of GOD.

    Luke 11:13
    If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


    GOD won't turn anybody down. If you ask for HIM you gonna get HIM.
     
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  10. WebdevHowto

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    #90
    Oh, there is more than one reason. Some choose to make another God the "lord of their life", others think that this is no God, others believe there is a God but feel that yours and others views of God is incorrect.

    The thing about many religions is that if you don't believe in that particular God, then you are wrong. That is not a very good breeding ground for tolerance.
     
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  11. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #91
    Yes I know those, I meant there's only one thing stopping them.

    GOD is spirit. You can feel HIM. Others are not taking that step to seek the true GOD in spirit, by fasting, prayer asking GOD to fill them with HIS spirit, and studying the Bible. The steps GOD works through can be felt and seen. I'd hate to live and go to hell because I didn't take a little time to seek my creator because people said there's isn't one. Especially if the Being that created me said HE could be felt if I asked. The feeling your whole body gets when the Holy spirit fills you is undeniable.

    One time my radio zapped at the same time I did when I called out the Holy Spirit to fill me. It was quite a shock through out me that time.
     
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    #92
    I'm glad for you that you have such strong beliefs, I hope they serve you well. For as many strong beliefs you have there are millions of others with different beliefs that are just as strong. If you want to say they are wrong that is up to you. I'm not going to say you are wrong or they or wrong.
     
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  13. imad

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    #93
    such statements, proves that the mentality of Christianity, whether Catholic or else, is still the same, "all people should be Christians" because its super, its better, its 3 in one, without really making any sense, as webdevhowto said, you are free to believe whatever, but do not expect all people to share you same beliefs just because you think its the truth, the same is with me, I believe my religion is the truth, but I never expect all people to be Muslims, its even written in Qur'an that they won't.

    Islam has no interest in beheading Christians, but if your approach to Muslims is through those blood thirty Missionaries, who some of them work in Iraq now, then really, expect even worse than beheading from them, cos they take their religion very seriously, and they have suffered in crusades in old history, and in colonies in new history from those beasts, its Christianity who gave a bad name to religions not European who gave a bad name for Christianity, and your statement about Islam beheading Christians proves what is written on that site:

     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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  16. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #96
    IMHO I feel that both religions or all religions have their bad hats, both sides are equally guilty of crimes against humanity. Continuing in this way, the thread will never end but will get more and more hostile.



     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #97
    Right, but I was stating another Biblical prophesy that is already coming to pass.

    Revelation 20:4
    And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Here's a link stack proving that prophesy
    http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/muslim-kosovars-behead-christian-serbs.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Indonesian_beheadings_of_Christian_girls
    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52699
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015574.php
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57186
    http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelement=3764
     
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    #98
    here is another prophecy

    can you explain it to me?

    edit it to add:

    can you explain this one too ;) there are more, but lets get them one by one, since you like prophecies so much.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #99
    I as a sinner will not be so presumptuous to second guess what is God's will. All these references to prophecies are human references and interpretations, are they really what God has intended?

     
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    #100
    this question should be to Ckrismoney, I never posted prophecies before this, but I noticed he does a lot, so wanted to ask him about these and their meanings, if he knows.
     
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