War on Iran?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by guerilla, Apr 4, 2008.

  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #81
    As scientific as some one making water to wine, walk on the water, bring back the dead to life or be son of God. :rolleyes:
     
    gworld, May 14, 2008 IP
  2. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #82
    Iran is a menace but I think they should be contained rather than invaded.

    Lieberman Floor Statement on the Iran Amendment

    The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is also importing terrorists from Lebanese Hezbollah to help build up its extremist proxies in Iraq. We know this, in part, because coalition forces have captured one of the Hezbollah leaders, inside Iraq, and recovered documents that detail the relationship between the Iranian regime and the extremist groups they are sponsoring.

    As General Petraeus said last week, “This is not intelligence. This is evidence.”

    http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=284039
     
    bogart, May 14, 2008 IP
  3. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #83
    Well, from a pragmatic POV, invading will destroy us economically, but frankly, there is so much disinfo out there about Iran, I doubt you have come to your conclusion by deep fact checking.

    Yes, Lieberman is a super hawk. He's probably the most hawkish member of the US Senate. He's the bone head who tried to ties Ahmadinejad to the Iranian Guard, when Ahmadinejad has no military power.

    And most Americans (including ones on this board) still do not understand that Al Sadr is anti-Iran and Al Maliki (the PM, Da'Wa party leader) is a Iranian collaborator.

    Heck, most Americans on this board probably wouldn't even know that Iran has nothing to do with Al Queda because they are opposing religious factions, and that Iran sold out the Taliban by helping us in Afghanistan.

    Bogart, you are way too smart to give in to fear and paranoia. Almost every time we go to war, the reason for going to war is faked. Avoid propaganda (which is rife in the US), and fact check what you hear. Dig deep into places you might not be comfortable and verify that what you are reading/hearing is corroborated outside of Liberman, the domestic media and the executive branch.

    As far as I am concerned, people like Lieberman are traitors who willingly lie and sellout the people they are meant to represent. History will not be kind to them.
     
    guerilla, May 15, 2008 IP
  4. swaymedia

    swaymedia Active Member

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    #84
    Invading Iran will just mean a weaker dollar, ending America. Looks like Israel cant get America to do there dirty work any more, If they want to fight there gonna have to sacrifice there own people isntead of Christian Americans.
     
    swaymedia, May 16, 2008 IP
  5. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #85
    Did you just say that so I would come in a try to help you understand? Or do you really believe all Americans are somehow Christian, I guess more specifically all American armed forces are?
     
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  6. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #86
    From Israeli sources it tells that , Bush is going to start war on Iran in the upcoming months . Are Robert Gates and Condoleezza Rice supporting war on Iran or are they against war ?

    http://prorev.com/2008/05/israeli-army-radio-bush-plans-to-attack.html

    US President George W. Bush intends to attack Iran in the upcoming months, before the end of his term, Army Radio quoted a senior official in Jerusalem as saying Tuesday. The official claimed that a senior member of the president's entourage, which concluded a trip to Israel last week, said during a closed meeting that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney were of the opinion that military action was called for.
     
    ziya, May 20, 2008 IP
  7. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #87
    IMHO the source that you quote is not really authoritarian. I do not see any moves to go into war with Iran. Bush is stepping down soon, I doubt he would be starting a war anytime soon.

     
    wisdomtool, May 20, 2008 IP
  8. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #88
    It's not authoritarian, and if you click on the source listed in article, it goes to an article saying it is not true.
     
    Rebecca, May 20, 2008 IP
  9. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #89
    In this case, it seems to be just picking on the article that fits the argument. Not much to discuss about :)

     
    wisdomtool, May 21, 2008 IP
  10. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #90
    Something like what happened to the North Korean built Syrian nuclear reactor.
     
    bogart, May 21, 2008 IP
  11. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #91
    That article is quoting to "Army Radio quoted a senior official in Jerusalem " . If it is true or not US will deny it , till the war.

    But I dont know is that news, article is right or not :)
     
    ziya, May 21, 2008 IP
  12. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #92
    Iran supplying weapons to Iraq? Don't count on it...

    Where Are Those Iranian Weapons in Iraq?

    Excerpt
    This is pretty consistent with the fact that Al Sadr has little to do with Iran. Should we be surprised that there is a propaganda build up to the war that is based on unconfirmed info? I don't think so.
     
    guerilla, May 22, 2008 IP
  13. H3llas

    H3llas Well-Known Member

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    #93
    i think that US cant do anything to IRAN. they are much larger and stronger then Iraq.
    also who are USA to say who cant have nuclear weapons and who cant
    why they dont destroy US nukes, then i would agree for IRAN to.
     
    H3llas, May 22, 2008 IP
  14. imad

    imad Peon

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    #94
    I surly hope that such weapons would cease to exist anywhere, but I m not that optimistic, why to go so far, and speak about USA's nukes, lets as a start hope that they destroy Israel's nukes,

    Israel, always said "we won't be the first to introduce nukes to the Middle East" but guess what, they were the first.

    now of course we hear their crying, about Iran using nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, but what was USA's reply, when they knew about Israeli nuclear weapons, that been secret, this document from USA that been recently declassified tells:

    WHAT WE WANT
    There was general agreement in our group that we must recognize
    one important distinction to begin with:

    1. Israel's secret possession of nuclear weapons would increase the potential danger in the Middle East, and we do not desire complicity in it.

    2.In this case, public knowledge is almost as dangerous as possession itself. This is what might spark a Soviet nuclear guarantee for the Arabs, tighten the Soviet hold on the Arabs and increase the danger of our involvement. Indeed, the Soviets might have an incentive not to know......

    Our problem is that Israel will not take us seriously on the nuclear issue unless they believe we are prepared to withhold something they very much need --the Phantoms or, even more, their whole military supply relationship
    with us.
    On the other hand, if we withhold the Phantoms and they make this fact public in the United States, enormous political pressure will be mounted on us. We will be in an indefensible position if we cannot state why we are withholding the planes. Yet if we explain our position publicly, we will be the ones to make Israel's possession of nuclear weapons public with all the international consequences this entails.

    source - PDF
     
    imad, May 22, 2008 IP
  15. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #95
    Daniel Pipe calls Bush start war with Iran immediatly if Obama will win , before Obama starts his job as a president of US. Will Bush has enaugh time to start war in that case ?
     
    ziya, Jun 13, 2008 IP