Voting for McCain and Hillary. I don't understand ...

Voting for McCain and Hillary.

I don't understand how in the world there are so many Americans voting for a person who just would follow a disastrous international policy, and continue the unwanted war in Iraq.

I don't understand why so many Americans are giving a green light to Hillary to become a president who flat openly lied in a few occasions "She was under sniper fire in Bosnia".
Moreover she voted for the war on Iraq which turned out to be disaster to Iraq, America, The Middle East, and the World.

One attorney told me that even by American law it is a criminal war, not to mention the International law which this admin broke on so many occasions.

I am not saying Obama is right in every way. As a matter of fact I don't hear him talking peace and fixing the US image abroad which has been wrecked by this admin's policy.

 

I don't understand it either, particularly McCain who is running for George W. Bush's 3rd term. People need to understand that McCain = Bush.

 

Not only McCain = Bush.
One could only expect McCain will attack Iran.

 

McBush and Hissary are both disasters, Obama may be lesser of the two, but I say we're still screwed.

 

You got that right, all three of them will be disasterous, it's not going to get any better any time soon.

 

I still don't get why anyone thinks Obama will be different. He's done nothing antiwar. He's done nothing to prove he has any of the classic liberal principles.

It's all just talk. And if he gets in with a Dem majority Congress, he'll never get questioned or impeached. The worst thing is an unchecked executive. It was horrible with Bush, and it will be terrible with a Democrat like Obama.

 

Because the majority of Americans appreciate, age, experience and honesty over arrogance, ignorance, and indifference.

Seems even the stock market reacts negatively to Obama:

April 16: "...Obama also confirmed that he would consider raising the capital gains tax, which is currently at 15 percent, back to its previous Clinton-era high of 28 percent..."

April 22: Obama gets crushed in PA

April 23: Stocks rise

May 6: Obama wins big in NC

May 7: Stocks plunge

May 13: Obama gets crushed in WV

May 14: Stocks rise

 

I was asking an Obama supporter about his plans to expand our military and re-focus on Africa, she just said "Maybe this time we'll have better results." And the problem is that most people don't really oppose war and interventionism and Wilsonian nation-building, they just don't like Bush, Cheney, Rove...

This is why I almost hope it happens. The federal government's popularity is tanking, and our best "hope and change" is really more of the same. This is a critical moment for the people's short attention spans to realize the futility of the system.

Obama's plans would accelerate the inflation everyone loves to hate, or if his tax hikes attempt to actually cover the costs he'll have effectively taken us off the international investment map.

I just figure at this point, things will get worse before they get better. If Obama can take some of the blame for that, 2012 might actually mean something as we realize the Dems are just as bad as Reps. Its as if someone has to shatter the Clinton myth like Bush shattered the Reagan myth.

 

The dangerous voter is the one that fires not hires. I think you hit the nail on the head. Some people just hate Bush so much they have let it sway all reason. I did not like Bill Clinton, but I still respected and supported the office of the president. I guess there in lies the difference.

Obamas tax plan would mean every single American on average would pay $8500 more per household. That is money that is better served going into the economy, not for earmarks for Obama, Clinton and Paul.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bush is terrible and McCain is potentially worse. While the taxes would be crushing, they might actually restore some value into the dollar so in a net sense all government interaction with the economy is just shuffling around cards in a zero-sum game. Obama's domestic plan sounds expensive, but as a share % of GDP it is roughly the same as Bush's own domestic budget increases & entitlement programs.

 

No government in history ever taxed itself into prosperity.

 

I went ahead and voted for Hillary in my state's primaries the other day. I know she won't get the nomination but I like her anyway. I will still vote for Obama over McCain in the general election though.

 

So which is it then? You vote for Hillary because you know she will not win, but then switch to vote for Obama because you don't like McCain? I'm not sure I understand the logic in that.

Why not support a candidate and stick behind them.

 

But the same is true for borrowing... It used to be possible to delay the consequences of debt but in today's macro-economy the changes are made instantly on international digital exchange. It doesn't really matter how the government finances its spending, unless you want to consider the marginal benefit of higher employment & interest payments versus the marginal benefit of a higher currency.

 

But of course. Liberals and Conservatives for the most part are statists. One favors warfare, one favors welfare. Both are destructive and enslaving, and the fake ideological battle between the two of them is meant to provide entertainment, like a sporting event.

Take Mia and Zibblu. Arguing around one another. And yet, they both have an interest in liberty in common between them, but they are too worried about arguing surface issues, and debating who gets a hold of power, to find that common ground.

You're starting to sound like a Rothbardian. I like it.

I agree completely. But is your preferred solution anarchy, or reform? I have an interest in either myself. I'd love to see Mark Sanford run in 2012. I think after 4 years of Obama, he could bring the GOP back with a small government, constitutional focus. His record of achievement is substantial.

 

You mean, no people ever taxed themselves into prosperity. Tyrannical governments have always taxed themselves into prosperity. It's the little guy, the blue collar worker, the farmer, the milkman who gets less for his taxes.

The bureaucrats and public servants get superior health care, pensions and wages at the expense of the people they serve.

Prosperity is a byproduct of freedom. Taxes are theft, and hence, not freedom.

 

Your right, americans love war they just hate when it takes longer then 5 minutes to win.

Bin Laden see this as a 1000 year war, yet McCain gets ridiculed when he says that we would stay in Iraq for 100 years. Some people get it, some don't.

 

Actually it wouldn't restore value, higher taxes would be associated with slower growth in the economy, to counter slower growth the fed would have to lower interest rates and keep them lower then they would other wise be. Lower interest rates is a disincentive for investors to hold dollars and hence the dollar would fall or not rise. Unless other countries drop interest rates also

 

I think the bottom line is that we need massive spending cuts, and the most politically expedient place to do it, is as RP says, in foreign policy. We could cut several hundred billion per year.

Unfortunately, and people may not want to acknowledge this, but folks have to get back to work. The equity in their homes is gone, they are going to take losses, and it's time to get a second job, clip coupons and cancel their vacations. We're only going to get out of this mess by doing two things, personally and federally. Cutting spending, and increasing production.

The banking cartel is global, so there will be interest rate shadowing, but I think that lower rates will be an incentive to continue to borrow, until the economy is DOA (see Japan). The reality is, lower or higher rates is not something the FED can manage or predict. The real rate of interest, is the market demand (competition) for capital (savings). That will vary, industry to industry, region to region, borrower to borrower. Hence why the FED setting blanket rates is just stupid.

Right now, even with low rates, lender's have tightened up and borrowers aren't trying to get deeper into debt. Raising rates will only make the situation worse, as credit demand will be heavily influenced by service costs.

It's a bad situation we're in. End the wars, cut spending, shrink government and allow the economy to heal itself.