A 4-year-old victim of Islam in India, willit ever stop!?

that was long ago, he is a God who was put on cross as most Christians believe, or a prophet who been rescued and taken up to heaven as Muslims believe, or a man who did not meet Jews expectations for the Messiah as most Jews believe, who represents Christianity these days?

 

mind if you quoted them

 

Wow, I don't know any Christians who believe Jesus is a god, most believe he is God's Son.

 

Sure. These verses are preceded by versus speaking about Jews, Zionists, and even polytheists, regardless I think its easy to see that Allah is not saying to kill just everyone. Yes, some of these people he is saying to justly kill were Jewish, but he didn't come out and say, "kill the Jews."

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).

"They hope that you will reject faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they). So do not take friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). If they become renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks, except for those who join a group with whom you have a (peace) treaty or those who approach you with hearts calling upon them to be neutral. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and do not fight you, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah has opened no way for you (to fight them). You will find others who wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation they succumb to it. If they do not withdraw from you or give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear argument against them" (4:89-91)

 

Then they are not "Real" Muslims.

Because that is what Islam is about. PERIOD.... Why anyone would seek to defend the obvious is beyond me.

This is what Islam teaches. No, not all Muslims are like that, because not all Muslims practice or even fully understand what their religion is really about.

Never a truer word has been spoken! Spot on!

 

Someone hasn't read the Q'uran or ever heard any Muslim leaders speak. BTW, terrorist organization leaders aren't Muslim leaders.

 

Maybe Christians can tell us here, cos I think, that they think, that since he is God's son, then he is a God too,

I do not think Zionists existed when the Quran was revealed 1425 years ago, and still I did not see where it says kill Jewish people as you mentioned in your previous post:

but I understand what you mean, just felt its good to make it clear for others,

besides the verses above, were not talking about Jewish people in specific, it clearly said in the beginning "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you"

 

No, we just think he is God's Son, not a god.

They did, it says so in many of my history textbooks, and in Reza Aslan's book "No got but God"

Some of those people that were fighting the Umma(original Muslims) were fought by Jews.

 

iWrite, what is wrong with the verses from the Quran you posted? Are you saying we should not fight opression?

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).

 

So you agree that Allah is commanding people to kill unbelievers? What does Islam say to do with those who reject Islam or convert to another religion?

 

"If they fight you, kill them"

You quoted that as if it is the wrong thing to do. What would you do if somenoe trys to kill you, kiss them?

 

What are you basing this on? By your definition, all Islamic or heavily Islamic countries would be bloodbaths. They aren't.

So you're either saying that most Saudis, Syrians, Iranians, Pakistanis, Egyptians etc. don't know their own state religion, or your theory fails.

I think you should look into what a Hafiz is, and what their role during Ramadan entails. Unlike many of the Christians I know, who do not even own a bible, let alone read one, Muslims memorize all 6,200 verses of the Koran and repeat them in the mosque during the month of Ramadan.

These are people who memorize their book and pray 5 times daily per their religion. I find it hard to believe your claims that they don't know their own religion. I think on the contrary, you don't know much about it.

 

But all Muslims are terrorists right Mia? That is the way you have been brainwashed into thinking right?

 

I have read so much (let me say) weird things since I started to read P&R but I think this thread included maybe the highest % of (let me use a polite word again) strange things,

it started by Muslims killed 80 millions Indians.

then European are not Christians, or not real Christians, or not representing the true Christianity.

then no Christian believe that Jesus is a God, but God's son, I still do not understand this.

then Europeans are a race. (well anything else than Christians)

then Christians who killed millions of both believers and non-believers are not true Christians, and peaceful Muslims are not true Muslims.

then somebody who claims to know Islam more than I do (as a Muslim) says what means true Muslims are not those peaceful (those do not really know their religion) but the true Muslims are those who kill.

 

heh, please don't joke about that.

Heck, no dude. I was just showing that in those verses it is not saying "Oh, kill the Jews, they suck", or anything to that affect. Of course I believe in killing in the name of self defense and all that. Who doesn't? But, of course, that's the basis of Islamic radicalist beliefs. They are "defending" their religion.

 

right.....

 

imad, you can't deny that Muslims are the only ones that still kills in the name of their god and their religion.

 

Imad, please do not be offended if I say this. But, I do believe there may be disrespectful references to the Jewish people in Islamic religious text...

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

 

Because people in the world know how to forgive, and not hold the things that one generation did against eight generations later.

 

No, only those that follow Islam to the letter...

Slow down and read carefully before sounding off.