SmartPricing .. Google keeps it secret?

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by EnPassant, May 14, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    Why Google keeps all information about Smart Pricing private? What should a webmaster do if he doubts he has been smartpriced? Do you contact them directly? and would they offer any help in this case?

    Or I am totally not understanding smartpricing?

    There have been so many rumors about smartpricing. Hope I can keep this thread as a good reference to any info regarding adsense smartpricing and ways to suspect it.

    Best Regards
     
    EnPassant, May 14, 2008 IP
  2. Scottydont

    Scottydont Peon

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    #2
    I was wondering the same thing.
     
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  3. zexy

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    #3
    I don't think Google will offer any help if you get SmartPriced. They don't care much for the publishers.
    As far as the advertisers are happy, everything is fine for them.
     
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  4. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #4
    Find something else to do.

    A webmaster can be smart priced due to a few reasons

    1. clicks on your ads do not earn advertisers revenues.

    2. multiple sites within the same category...which also likely do not provide advertiser revenues.

    3. Over saturation of the category. For example there are 2,000,000 myspace profile sites and as such all of us who own one are typically smart priced.

    There is only so much advertising dollar devoted to any category and as such, Google has to put a limit to how much Adsenseless publishers can earn....

    Google won't cut their own throat and lose money, so publishers will get the Columbian Necktie.....:eek:

    :D
     
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    snowbird Notable Member

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    #5
    there is some myth and truth to smartpricing. people who see $.50 cent clicks one day and $.10 the next may not be smartpriced. different ads display and the amount those advertisers pay does vary quite a bit.

    on the other hand, if visitors click on adsense ads and quickly leave that site, that is bad and results in smartpricing. that's why positioning adsense ads in such a way that it creates accidental click can be counter-productive.

    some niches simply don't pay well at all. so there is not much smartpricing to do there.
     
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  6. EnPassant

    EnPassant Active Member

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    #6
    All answers are helpful. But I want to ask a more specific question. Does smartpricing affect an entire account forever? ~ Ok.. this is an example.. so you can better respond to me.

    I launch a site that contains junk duplicate content and users are not likely to buy anything from advertisers-> My clicks thru this site will be smartpriced..Alright! I decide to remove that site and launch a new site.. will smartpricing still affect all other sites I create? The entire account or specific sites? ~ and is it permanent? I mean if you get smartpriced can you just remove the bad sites and add your adsense to quality sites then you remove that smartpricing or ?
     
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    #7
    i think u will be smartpriced at some category not all account !!!
     
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  8. Sem-Advance

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    #8
    Good quality sites are the mantra Google preaches.

    If your adsense account is full of crap aka MFA sites then yes they typically will dump the whole account.

    If you have 10 good quality sites and 1 MFA site the MFA site will likely be the only smart priced site.

    You can also be smart priced for multiple quality sites in same category however.....to resolve that you can perhaps split the sites into more than one adsense account.

    However you did not read that advice from me....:D
     
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  9. EnPassant

    EnPassant Active Member

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    More than one adsense account? :D
    Well, rep+ Thanks for the info.. totally got it now
     
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  10. zexy

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    #10
    On some sites I get clicks that pay low. And maybe I'm smartpriced.
    However on other sites that I own the clicks are fine most of the time.
    This could be because of the different niches, but in my opinion SmartPricing is related to a site, not account.
    If you have 10 sites and only 5 of them don't convert well enough, it makes no sense to smart price the other 5 sites.
     
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  11. EnPassant

    EnPassant Active Member

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    Thanks again zexy, I think I should just focus on quality content that can convert well, and never bother with MFA.
     
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  12. zexy

    zexy Guest

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    You're welcome, mate. Quality content will always do well in Google. Especially in the long run.
     
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    #13
    From my experience google only wants to work with smart people, they never tell you anything. They expect you to figure things out on your own, for example "The google slap", people were losing their heads and when they asked google they got irrelevant or insufficiently help, only the smart people figured it out. At the end of the day Google only cares about their customers (advertisers and the people who use google), their only interested in the highest of qualities and if you don't help them deliver that then your not valuable to them.
     
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  14. internetmarketingiq

    internetmarketingiq Well-Known Member

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    #14
    I read all the above posts and there is no information that will answer your question.

    Google doesn't give you information because they don't have to.

    You can quit. And they 1.000's of people lined up to take your place.

    Disclosure may however come as the result of one of many lawsuits.
     
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    #15
    is smart pricing permanent?
     
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  16. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #16
    I hate to say this but Google gives all the answers they need to. Most people seem to think that Google should give them the answers to everything.

    Newsflash - That won't happen!!!!

    No amount of lawyers will help either.

    Let me tell you both a little story..

    I have a bank account and I walk into the bank and I see people who work there go in and out of the vault...

    Now I thought, here is an easy way for me to make some very good money without doing much work.

    I went in and sat down with the branch manager and told him I wanted to be sure my funds were protected properly and as such I would need access to the bank vault to ensure they had enough cash there should I need to make a large withdraw.

    Next I told them I needed the combination to the bank vault, as well as a set of keys to the bank, because one should always have all the answers as a customer and the answers I wanted, lie inside the vault.

    He looked at me like I was insane.

    I then said if he didn't comply I would hire a lawyer and sue them for non disclosure!!!!!

    The bank manager rose from his chair and said to me....





    "Are you fucking crazy???"


    I would ask you both the same question......:D
     
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  17. writingman1421

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    Sem-advance,
    I understand your comparison, but in a way, i'm not sure it fits completely.

    If anything, we are working for Google by displaying their ads on our websites. At least, that's how I see it.

    Basically, they tell us to jump and we say how high. The only problem with that, though, is when we say "how high" they say..... I'm not going into further detail, you better get it right or your fired! This means if we don't "jump" perfectly, we get canned without a second thought.

    I'm not asking for my hand to be held, but I would like clarification from them on some of the strange things they request and/or do A LOT of the time -- for instance, the new "privacy policy" change every adsense user is affected by, forcing them to add a policy page to each & every one of their websites. A policy, that for the life of me, I'm not sure how to correctly word in order to appease Google.
     
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  18. Sem-Advance

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    My story is simply to wake people up to the fact that no company has to reveal their security measures......and no lawyer can force them to.

    I dont know privacy policy is new....they've talked about it for years as have many other notable sites that are not related to search...

    Next they are not forcing anyone, to use a privacy page....nobody is forced to display adsense ads......

    Google does not care how you phrase your privacy page as I believe they feel you are intelligent enough to visit most reputable websites find their privacy page and adapt it to fit your needs.

    If one wanted to know for sure it would require just a little research

    go to Google.com

    Scroll to the bottom and click their "Privacy Page"

    http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/privacy_fusionph.html

    go to the bottom of that page and click on the Full Privacy Page

    http://www.google.com/privacypolicy.html

    As you can see its the same basic privacy page most websites use in wording and vernacular.

    In closing Google wants to help as much as they can and has made leaps and bounds from the old closed mouth Google of just a year or two ago

    however they are not going to be an open book.....no company is if you think about it....

    :)
     
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  19. cryton

    cryton Well-Known Member

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    That story was awesome!
     
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  20. tinycoin

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    #20
    someone suggest remove the adsense code for about 2-3 days, then add it again.
    you wont be smartpriced
     
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