Einstein letter: Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people

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  1. sweetsara

    sweetsara Peon

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    #41
    Well..yeah it does, why am i not chosen. It's because i'm not Jewish

    That is crystal clear racism

    It's like saying no blacks can enter a shop because they are black, they must be white and chosen
     
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  2. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #42
    Nope IMHO your example is quite irrelevant, no one is denied salvation because of their color or race.

    To me your allegations of racism is totally opaque.

     
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    #43
    We are not talking about being denied salvation, we are talking about why one race is seen as superior to another in the eyes of your God

    That's racism

    If I say whites are better than blacks, people will call me racist.

    So why is it different with you?
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #44
    Just being chosen does not mean you are superior. If you say whites are better than blacks than it is racism because you are saying they are superior, being chosen does not mean anything superior or inferior.

    God just chose, you have to ask him why he choose the Jews instead of the Arabs, I am unable to answer that. Also if you insist that God by choosing the Jews means that he is racist. I can't really defend God, you may want to take it out directly with him.

    I believe the Jews are the chosen ones thats it. That means God chose them, I guess this is quite simple to understand. But why, how, when, etc, please ask Him.

     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    #45
    what do you mean by that?
     
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  6. sweetsara

    sweetsara Peon

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    #46
    Ok thanks for answering but i don't know why you have to bring Arabs into the discussion when it is really irrelevant
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #47
    This is just an illustration, you can substitute Arabs with Indians, Chinese, Burmese, Vietnamese, it is still the same.

     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #48
    If they are chosen as you say, then what extra rights do we ppls need to give them ? What extra rights do they have from birth ? I really dont understand "the meaning" of chosen
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #49
    If they are the chosen people by God, then they must have been right in declaring Jesus the false profit and killing him, don't you think so?
    Or do you mean that God has chosen them for making mistakes and making fool of themselves? :rolleyes:
     
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    #50
    Very true Gworld, good point
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #51
    Well you can look at it this way if you want, God chose them because of the mistakes they make or because of other issues. It is a free world. How profitable is it? I can't answer you. You will need to ask Judas how much he got for betraying Jesus.

     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #52
    So in your opinion they are "chosen" people but you don't know how or why? Very intellectual way of thinking. :rolleyes:
    I wasn't talking about Judas, I was talking about Jewish people who according to Bible took the blood of Jesus on themselves and their children which is one of the main arguments for anti-Semites. It was not until 1965 that Pope dissolved Jews guilt for killing Jesus.
     
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    #53
    Thanks for the compliments, I accept it graciously :)


     
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    #54
    There are no chosen people. If people would like to believe so, I'm fine with it, as I am fine with any faith, so long as it doesn't impact the world of human beings.

    Where? Where in the Bible does it say this?
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #55
    I respect your views, there is no right or wrong answers, maybe for those who believe in Christ, that would be given on Judgment Day, for others there wont' be.

    It is the recognition of one's rights to their beliefs and the respect of one's rights to differing views that are important.


     
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    #56
    Matthew 27:24-25: "When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."
     
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    #57
    I agree with you for sure, but in this case it has effected human beings, as you can see in Palestine the Jews claim to land is that they are chosen and it is in the bible, this is not fair on the people that were already living there.
     
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    #58
    I would rather NOT use that argument...
     
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    #59
    I was just winding him up , playing on his love of the Jews.

    it's not a fact, just a dumb theory
     
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    #60
    "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

    It pretty much sums up what I think of God and Religion,maybe i would ad up it is also a part of identity of individual
     
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