Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

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  1. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #781

    I apologize if you were offended in any way, i am just speaking the truth as i have come to learn it over quite a few years. I am a true christian, I believe in God, and accept Jesus as my savior. My life has made a complete turn around, since that point. Dont get me wrong i still slip, but i feel horrible when doing so. I can not sin and feel good about it, that is how i know i am saved. Many people can look at porn, or cuss like sailors, and not think twice, for me just the thought makes me feel very uncomfortable.

    And since you pm'd me about my avatar, i will address that. It is me holding my gun, i do not support violence, but i do support self defense, To protect my family, is a God given right.
     
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    #782
    Well, i'm an atheist, but my mom belives a lot.
    Still, she usually say something very interesting "religions have been invented by mankind", so it's true.

    My thought about "religion","god", "the bible":

    I think that's something that was a total sign of human ignorance, similar to witch hunting, but that somehow found a way tokeep working over the centuries.
    I think that the bible was made to "scare" people, since civilization about some thousands years ago wasn't as educated as today.
    If you think about it, you remove Jesus from the bible and all you get is a bunch of lies and fantasies. Not too different to Harry Potter.
    But they needed a character that could prove that there is something like "the heaven" and there is something after death (wich keeps everyone from being "bad" since otherwise, you would do whatever you want since once you're death, that's it!).
    Think about wars on those times (that were everyday stuff):
    Do you really think that millions of people were battling (most of them going to a certain death) if they knew that there was nothing after that, and no matter what have they done in their lifes, all ended there? they needed something to make them want to go (and nothing better than being next to the almighty).
    If you really really really really think about it in the deepest way you can, you will learn that it's all bull, and though the years, decades and centuries, there is always a good interest hiding behind the church and the name of god.
    See all the money the church makes and has made, by making beilievers to become poor and all that, by the unbeliveable promise of a "better life after death" (did you read that!!?..i mean...c'mon!!)
     
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    #783
    Apology not needed as I'm old enough and wise enough to accept differing views right or wrong. Great to hear the rest, I won't preach to the converted. :)
     
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    #784
    We need more pictures of Christians sporting semi-automatic weapons. I'm sure Jesus would own one , that seems congruent with his message :eek:

    Most people feel bad when they do things they believe are wrong, it is called a conscious. If you need to invoke a god to have one then please do so, just know most people have a conscious and many have one even without Jesus.

    I'm glad you have found something to believe in and I'm not trying to come down on you. What struck me, is that you said "To protect my family, is a God given right". I would argue that protecting your family is not a right given by a God but a basic right that everyone should be entitled to, without regard for what God they happen to believe in.
     
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    #785
    Why do you think we need more Christians sporting semi-automatic weapons? Take a look at how this has affected other religions, would anyone want that to carry over? I wouldn't that's for sure.

    Protection is all well and good, and if a gun is needed to do that then I'm fine with that also, but you can't tell me that a semi-automatic machine gun has just that goal in mind. That's of course unless your planning on protecting your family against a hundred people at a time. :confused:
     
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    #786
    The ":eek:" at the very end was meant to show the sarcasm and sadness. I would have made it more apparent, but then it would have lost the sarcasm. ;)
     
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    #787
    Jamie, Web was being sarcastic. Simply abandoned the avatar for a while, but has brought it back. This is an old source of discussion.
     
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    #788

    The reason it continues on, is due to the obvious presence of the holy spirit in those that receive it. Christianity is more than believing, its knowing. Many Christians in this day in places like china, are dieing for Christianity. Why would one Die defending something false, know one stands over them with a sword, and says defend this faith. The do it because they know its real, as do i.


    Granted, people do tend to feel bad when they do something wrong, but your not seeing the whole picture, I'm specifically referring to those that do enjoy doing wrong, those that love getting high, or those that live just to cause trouble, I'm speaking of the man, that willing cheats on his wife. I'm speaking of myself. And how i used to love, the sins i committed, now they disgust me. Its more than a conscience, its way deeper.

    And yes, everyone has a right to protect their family, but go into history and find out where that right came from. All laws that man came to know, were derived from religion, such as the ten commandments.

    I can tell you thats my goal because it is. I actually have a few friends that collect guns, they have m-1, m-16's, g-3's, glocks, ak-47's, We are all believers in the right to bare arms, sure...a small handgun would suffice I'm sure, but i was given an AK-47 for mt birthday, by these friends, and quite frankly, most guns these days are semi-automatic, would you prefer i use black powder? The only difference in my AK, and a semi auto- 22, is the size of the bullet.

    Yes i had it, i let it go, the only reason i brought it back was for a joke in the mountain dew thread. It is my right to have my gun, I'm no murder, i do not intend on killing anyone, but let a man put his hands on my wife, or my two kids, he will regret it straight to hell.


    And to the one who left me the gray rep (im sure you wanted it to be red) You call me a fake Christian. I assure you i am not fake, i am the real deal. I am not perfect, we all fall short. But since i was saved, i stopped drinking, i stopped smoking weed and other drugs, i focused on my family and church (which is a small church that receives no money) God had done a work in my life, that i could never take credit for. I'm not fake, i am sincere to my faith. And i do realize there are man professing Christians out there that, go to the bar on Saturday night to get drunk, and then go to church the next day, to appear Christian, yet they never open their bible, they have no conviction of what they have done the night before, and the could care less. That is the fake Christian.
     
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    #789
    And the fact it shoots more bullets than is necessary. :rolleyes: Seriously, I do get your point, I'm just not a gun believer simply because I live in the UK and see the inequality owning them creates.

    I confess to staring for hours at the gun counter at Outdoor World when there recently, I keenly stroked a magnum as if it were a child. The only worry I have with guns is the false feeling of power it can give people and in the wrong hands they are dangerous. Your hands are by the sound of things the right hands so no worries there.

    As for the rep, it wasn't me, I always sign mine and they aren't grey. Ignore them, I do. Sent you some to make up for the sad feeling even a grey can create. Isn't it weird how faceless people use this as a weapon.
     
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    #790
    History has shown, that when you strip a society of its guns, within time, it becomes owned by the governing authorities. This is one of the reasons, the right to bare arms is so important. The gun doesbring a since of power to a person, even to me, i now have the power to overcome an intruder. Its all on the person that contains that power, and how they handle it. I will say there are many people that should not be allowed to own a gun, due to their mental states. I'm am all for the researching of each individual that buys a gun, i feel they should tighten up, that they need more than a background check. I think maybe a mental evaluation would be a good thing before being allowed to purchase i fire arm. I hate to fall on a cliché, but guns dont kill people, people kill people. If it weren't with a gun, than it would be some other weapon.





    I just dont like to give people the wrong impression. I'm a pretty honest guy, that believes and trusts in God. Heres the thing, if we were all capable of keeping the commandments in the new testament, This world would be at peace. The new testament teaches us to help and love each other. The problem is we are a selfish people, that cares only about ourselves. And that is accredited to Satan. Believe it or not.
     
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    #791
    How can you know, in fact, that they are not diying for something false?.
    Either way, Christianity is not false, their believings might be.
    Saying that their belivengs are not false is as inaccurate as saying that they are.
    But making a point about them being false is easier, since it can be proved with facts, while saying that they are true is all based in assumptions and fantasies, that some might believe and others don't.
     
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    #792
    I know they are not dieing, for something false, because they are dieing for the only truth there is. They are dieing because they believe in God, and that he sent his son, to receive the punishment that we deserve. They are dieing for christianity, and christianity is not false. I can never explain in words how i know, but rest assured, I do Know.
     
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    #793
    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    #794
    If you had a point at all it was a might vague one. All i can tell you, is I know God exist as do other Christians. Its not a guess, not a maybe, but a definitely.
     
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    #795
    Why on earth would we deserve punishment? I can't see anywhere in the Bible that validates this. Unless, this was not what you meant?? :confused:
     
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    #796
    As certain as you are that your God exists, there are many people from other faiths and atheists who are just as sure that you are wrong.
     
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    #797
    The sinners and evildoers among us deserve punishment. So do the slanderers and adulterers. That's a lot of them ;)
     
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    #798
    I know you know that god exists. I know that god isn't real. I consider it as a fact, you consider as a fact that god is real.
    But you still can't explain why god does exist, while i don't need to explain you why he doesn't. It's all about opening your eyes and see what is around you.
     
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    #799
    If believing in god gives power and peace of mind, why not?
     
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    #800
    Believing the earth was flat undoubtably gave power and peace of mind. At the time it would have been a comforting thought that was core to a persons worldview.

    Even today, there is the flat earth society. Now, I would not try to convice a "flat earther" that the world is round, but if they wanted to have a discussion about it, I would not hesitate to point out why I don't share the same belief.
     
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