Please stay out of the discussion unless you can fully comprehend what is going on in them. All you do is make an ass of yourself, and frankly, its counterproductive. It has? First, neither place was "nuked". Both sites were warned, as was the empire of Japan, prior to the use of the "atomic" bombs. Not only was forewarning given, but pamphlets were dropped daily warning people of the impending doom. The only atrocity was the Empire of Japan's quest for world domination, coupled with attacks on their neighbors and the US, without provocation. The US sought to stay out of that war, and once engaged sought further to end it peaceably. Sadly, no one on the other side wanted peace. The end justifies the means sometimes, and in Truman's case, we was considering the prospect of another 5 years of war, and another 500,000 dead Americans. In retrospect, it would appear he made the right decision given what lay ahead. How on earth with nearly 70 years of history to look back upon you can possibly call the defense of the US and her allies atrocious is completely and utterly reprehensible. You my friend are a waste of oxygen sometimes. All things being equal, hind sight is still 20/20. Even those against the use will tell you that it was the right decision. Don't be a complete idiot. The road you are going down is one that only you are going to travel. You have completely lost your mind. It's really sad, because there were a few times were I though you might actually have something valuable to contribute to a discussion. Go self loathe and fart guilt somewhere else. We're not buying it here. Your post is ridiculous.
No, what he is saying is if you are shooting at me and my family and I ask you to stop by saying, STOP - I'm WARNING YOU... And you do not. ... Think about that, if you can. You've swayed so far of the reservation today I would not be surprised if 10,000 DP'ers died of laughter from your last few posts.
Only if you lack the brains to comprehend. And you brought yourself into the convo by posting. So what gives? You just said exactly what I stated but in only one line. So you make no sense by saying I make no sense.
The Potsdam Declaration On July 26, Truman and other allied leaders issued The Potsdam Declaration outlining terms of surrender for Japan. It was presented as an ultimatum and stated that without a surrender, the Allies would attack Japan, resulting in "the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration
So when Bin Laden sends a video, we were warned and the Islamists are justified in nuking one of our cities? What if the President had to kill you and your family, to save 1,000 American lives. Would you be ok with that? Ready to send your family to a glorious death for the nation? The ends never justifies the means. That is supposed to be why we have moral superiority to go around the world and shower all of these countries with our goodness and democracy. If we're willing to use terrorist tactics (attacking civilians to accomplish political goals) how are we still morally superior? Because mass murder is never justified Mia. Murder period is never justified in my opinion. You may feel differently, but then I'm sure if it was a matter of killing your family, everyone you love, you might feel differently about someone using an obtuse justification like "the ends justify the means". I'm not the waste of oxygen. I'm not a hypocrite. Uhm, no they won't. Please, please I AM BEGGING YOU. Start reading. Books. Learn things. Expand your mind. Trust me, it can get bigger than it is. In your case, a LOT BIGGER. No, you never thought I had anything to offer. You're the master of knowing nothing about a topic, and insulting someone who knows more than you. That's why you make silly cracks about me working in a burger joint, when you are the guy who started in a burger joint, making french fries. The people you like to mock and make fun of, are you. You're the guy who doesn't know what he is talking about. You're the guy from humble beginnings who resents being blue collar. What will be ridiculous, will be your hypocrisy if anyone ever attacks the US with nuclear weapons, and you rise to condemn them. That's the path you have set out on. After all, maybe your enemies are just doing it to prevent future invasions and deaths. Maybe, they agree that the ends justify the means, and wiping out you and your family, everyone you have ever met, is ok, as long as they can justify it to themselves, using the same rationale you use to justify such to yourself.
http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/Nanking-Massacre/images/Nanjing_ditch.jpg http://www.uglychinese.org/Nanking-massacre.jpg http://starbulletin.com/98/11/20/features/art.gif http://www.inthesetimes.com/images/31/11/massacre.jpg Here are some photos of some war crimes. You try to make America look like the bad people but I highly doubt the people from Nanking had pamplets dropped for them. I highly doubt the 20+ thousand women raped got a warning in advance.
How about you respond to the simple, direct question I have posed to you in two threads in the last hour, including this one?
I don't recall responding to you. Don't use my post and say that I'm proving your point when I wasn't even responding to you. I love the irony, BTW. Keep it up.
Does not matter if you were responding to me or not. You proved what I was saying. No irony here. I have yet to call anybody names here and I am filling posts with info. I would really apreciate it if you would please stop. It is not adding anything to the discussion. I do not even understand why you are feeling the need to openly try and start something with me. I simply said that you proved my point with your statement and for some reason that offends you or something?
I have many outstanding questions to you which you seem content to ignore. Why don't you get yourself all worked up and answer those first. You get only the respect you deserve.
Sure give me a list. I will answer two of yours for one of mine. That's a great deal for you. Hit me with the questions! I am ready to get some answers from you!
Is this the part where I say "Jane you ignorant slut"? Ah, Bin Laden was a terrorist, not a sovereign nation defending itself. "He's dead Jim" If I were threatening the lives of those 1000, sure... "The good of the many, out weight the good of the few, or the one" Yes, the end always justifies the means. You are trying to equate your guilt for the war on terror in the 21's century with a war of attrition from nearly 70 years ago. That you cannot see how absolutely retarded that is, is beyond all comprehension. You are going to have to cite a source for "mass murder".... I'm not sure what you are talking about. You've completely mis-interpreted almost 70 years of recorded history and reality, much recorded by people still alive today for your need to pander your moonbat guilt amongst the crowd of loyal fellow mbats... It's still at best. Most of the people like you are already banned. You're playing to a dwindling audience. I never called you a hypocrite. You know what they say about people that say they are not something that someone never either said or implied they were? Seems like you just might be what you say you're not. Reading books? What books do you suggest I start reading? The ones with the pictures and big letters by Alex Jones, like you do? I've lived it. I've had first hand knowledge of history told to me by people that have lived it. Next thing you know you'll be telling me we never landed on the moon. Seriously, you have to stay off the drugs. At this point, I think you are beyond saving. I only pray you hurt yourself before you hurt someone else. You've gone completely bonkers. I started in a burger joint? What ever gave you that idea? I think I worked a few summers at a Hardees while I was in college. Yeah, I had to actually work to pay for my school... The fact that you still work in a burger joint is what I was getting at.... Some of us do it when we are kids, or to get some extra cash. Not all of use make a career of it. The fact that you make fun of it continually is even more bothersome. There is no shame in any job. The fact that you find your pathetic position to still be shameful at your age, and then feel the need to tell the world about it is what is disturbing. Get my drift? No, I',m the guy that is NOT ashamed that he makes money! I'm the guy that does not feel guilty about succeeding. I'm the guy that pays for state aid for people like you. I'm the guy that is thankful for all he has. However, I am that guy that realizes that I need to work hard because it could be gone at any moment. If you think you are being mocked, it's because you throw yourself out there to be mocked. Primarily by starting asinine threads like this one. Or trying to convince people that the US is evil because it defended itself during WWII, arguably the war that made people love the US so much. Stop being such a baby. If you can't take it, leave... There you go speaking it the first person again about "hypocrisy". First, the US has NEVER attacked anyone unprovoked with Nuclear Weapons. Second, the US has NEVER used Nuclear weapons. We have not had to. Having them has been deterrent enough. Why you keep trying to beat these comparisons between the US defending itself and ending WWII and today is beyond reason. I can only surmise that drugs are involved. I would imagine drugs of a psychedelic nature at that. You are so far out of touch its difficult to even converse with you. When you are clean and sober let me know. ATM, it is almost impossible to respond to your gibberish.
No, I'm not. The fact that so many here are devoid of a 3rd grade level education is pretty disconcerting.
Here is a simple quote that should put everything into perspective for all of you. "Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal." Curtis Lemay "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." Curtis Lemay - the man who oversaw the firebombings (which killed far more than the nukes) Fact is, yes, we committed atrocities it's horrible. War itself is the problem. And NO COUNTRY goes to war WITHOUT provocation. Without an attack upon them. So if you want to start a war, everyone knows you need an excuse. My problem is that the U.S. Naval fleet was ALWAYS STATIONED in California. Then FDR decides to piss off the Japanese with an embargo (taking away their only source of oil), and move the fleet to Pearl Harbour, Hawaii, leaving them vulnerable. When FDR told the fleet to move to Hawaii, the admiral actually REFUSED OUTRIGHT, FDR fired Admiral Richardson who refused to cooperate and the next one, Admiral Kimmel ALSO advised against moving the fleet there, but FDR threatened to fire him too, and so he cooperated. My problem is that FDR handed Japan 3,000 american lives (sound familiar anyone?) just so he had an excuse to join his COUSIN Winston Churchill's battle in Europe. Notice he abandoned our Americans in the Philippines to death at Bataan while he ran off to fight Hitler, we didn't fight Japan till AFTER. War is like guns, used in the wrong hands it's bad. It COULD be used for good, by a good person to defend himself. HOWEVER, even if the gun is used to shoot a thief; if you had INTENT to kill that thief all along, and not for a peaceful outcome, then you are doing evil. In the same way, even if our governments are declaring war on "rogue regimes" and "evil fascists", the problem is that the government was intending to create WAR all along, and not leaving room for peace. By moving the fleet to Hawaii, the most vulnerable possible position, while in an amazing coincidence giving a training mission for the important ships, the carriers, on the day of the attack, FDR was HOPING for Japan to attack. That is the problem. And everyone should recognize this fact, left or right, and come to the same conclusion: that FDR is a bastard and we should have never gone to war FOR HIS reasons if we did at all.
I would not rule it out. My goal would be to minimize civilian casualties. The specific answer of course depends on the particular circumstances. You want a yes or no answer to what would obviously be a complex question. Do you think building a civilian apartment building near a military target makes that military target off limits? even if it might result in civilian casualties? (assume the civilians don't even know the target it there, and they are true innocents)
It's times like this I wish the other side would have one, so we could all cook Jews, Hang Americans, Dump toxic waste in Canada, drink dark beer, speak Germanese and salute one leader, one flag and one dictator for allowing only the approved race to survive... Sounds kinda silly when you start to put things into perspective. The fact that this discussion was even started is rather bothersome.