If it's so obvious the bible is "right" and the other books are wrong surely you could tell me what exactly is right in your version of the bible compared to the other versions of it and to other books (koran, etc.) specially after you studied it for so long. So, can you answer that? I'm in the second year at the university right now. it depends on the subject. Some faster some longer
I can't tell you exactly in just a few posts...this is the point..it takes time...just like anything educational. You learn the basics, then you improve on the basics, then you move to more advanced deeper stuff. You say "my version of the Bible". I can do the same study with nearly every version (to be more accurate "translation") of the Bible. The writings are the same, the points being made are the same, the teachings are the same. I can teach people the same viewpoint from God using most translations of the Bible. The Bible is not some mere novel you read once and put it away and say "I've read it". It never works that way and was not purposed that way. It is meant to be read over and over again to keep reminding us God's purposes. Hence, why it takes time to take it all in.
oh, so you've studied the bible for five years but you can't summarise what makes its teachings work. But have you studied the books other major religions have? Because the arguments you make can be used for any other religion too: "you have to study the koran/what buddhists or hindus have/what ancient greeks, romans or egyptians had and you will see its teachings work therefore this is the correct religion and our god/s do exist" Besides, how is it anymore likely that your spirit goes to hell/heaven or whatever you believe about it than it reincarnating or what other religions say it happens after death?
how do you say that bible works with all the confusion it has about who god is and what jesus is .all the opinions about NT & OT, and if it is true that some parts were dismissed and destroyed,in the third century [but i am not sure] then why those parts didn't work. and how about the things that NPT posted about the war of gods? is that true? do you belive in that then i have more questions related to it. thanks for answering Cheap SEO Service these are confusing issues so i am curious and skeptical
I can summarize and have done many times in these P&R threads. If you don't know my doctrinal points by now I suggest you go back and read up on them. I am not going to repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat myself if you get what I mean? Think about counterfeit money. How does one get to learn what counterfeit money looks like? By studying and analysing all the different forms of counterfeit money? How long would this take? Lifetimes. We have not got that long. The best way is to find real money. Study every part of it so we know it inside out (or try to). Some counterfeit money does appear to be very real. But a steadfast learner will always be able to perform tests to identify real money versus counterfeit money. This works the very same for studying the Bible. I know so many people who have spent decades looking into different translations of the Bible and some spent decades into different religions. But for some reason they were not identifying translations/religions as an accurate translation/true religion. There were always flaws present in it's teachings from the source (Bible/Books). As soon as these ones started studying with the translation we use and also saw what was taught was actually taught from the Bible. Well, they could see it all in action and were happy with it. There have been some hard nuts to crack in this case. I know, my wife when she studied had 3 different translations of the Bible, a history book and 2 different encyclopaedias. Just to make sure what was taught was from the Bible. Actually, her objective was to prove her teachers wrong. In the end, she could not do that. She saw for herself that the teachings were accurate. Of course, these things happened over time. You can't possibly learn all about this in a day, a week or a month. But, in 6 months of regular study, you can start clearly seeing what is truth and what is not. However, some have studied for years and had not got it, had not seen it. I talk to people from hundreds of different religions on a daily basis. I have learned many things from them. However, none have shown me anything more truthful from what I have learned. Why? Just think of the counterfeit money. Once you see the real money, you can identify the fakes easily. Col
This is more of an issue is there God or not? Why 1+2=3 is an easy answer for those who studied math. Some math problems though are quite hard to solve even for those who attended college math and as hard are some spiritual complicated things to be understood. If somebody does not see logic in the matter it doesn't mean there is none. If you discuss spiritual stuff with somebody who almost never read any spiritual books, it will be like discussing college math problem with a first grader. And if the latter one is stubborn and negative you'll be totally wasting your time. This is especially true with the Divine stuff, since it is a world hidden from the common eye. You can put all the Divine wisdom of the world in a post and you could still prove nothing to him. He has to see and touch himself to believe....
thanks but i am not going to spend six months unless i have some of my questions answered first.maybe i should ask a priest?
Maybe you should ask our people when they come knocking on your door? Is a priest going to go out of his way to knock on your door?
I'm not talking about your doctrinal points. I'm talking about what makes your bible work that other books don't have. But I don't expect you to be able to answer this. This is nothing like counterfeit money because in religion you can't have an absolute standard to compare it to like you do with money unless she speaks ancient hebrew and the other languages the bible was written in how can she determine by herself which one is accurate ?! right, so can you tell me how is it any more likely that after death you go to heaven or hell or whatever you believe about this and not reincarnate as other people believe? Of course you can't. Your only argument to support your claims about what happens after death is "beacause it sais so in the bible" which leaves us right where we started: How do you determine which book is true? Because as far as I can see your only argument in favor of your bible is "because it sounds right to me"
You mean you don't expect me to answer this to your liking? How do you know this? No need to be confused. You don't know my wife and you don't know what she can and can't do. You would be surprised if you did though. I see you are answering your own questions again. Let's get to the real issue here. Your ears and eyes are closed to this type of thing. Until you allow information to be read and heard, you will never learn a thing. I promise you that. I have informed you and others where to get your answers to your questions. What happens when someone offers answers at your front door? The usual. You tell them to go away or you try to tell them they are wrong and then to go away. If you firmly believe the Bible does not contain the truth then why do you bother wasting your time in this thread and threads like it? Seems kind of pointless don't it?
Unless a person has an open mind and willingness to see the right in other's points of view [however hard that may be] debates and discussions are useless. Some people here engage in debates mostly to make others with opposite points of view look stupid [in their own minds that is]
The problem with this type of attitude is: the harder this person tries to make the other person look stupid, it usually turns out the other way. It's a natural thing when you think about it. I do my best to try and make things peaceable with the person/s I am corresponding with in regards to these matters. I invite people to think about things, not to harass their viewpoints. But some people are just plain rude. However, I expect attitude's like this.
I mean an actual direct answer to this very simple question. Do I really have to ask 3-4 times to get an answer? Are there any reasons why you keep avoiding answering? it's pretty obvious. You can go to the institution that issues money in your country and ask them exatly what are the characteristics of their money. Who do you ask exactly for the carracteristics of the true religion? that's why I asked. So, how exactly could she determine by herself which translation is the correct one if she doesn't speak the languages it was originally written in? you're right. How about you finally start answering them? I keep asking question but I don't get any answers. How am I not opening my eyes and ears?! Let's keep this honest please. I didn't tell you to go away or anything like that. I repetedly asked questions (which is opposite to telling you to go away) you refuse to answer I don't firmly believe that. The bible could be true. But so far I don't see anything that convinces me that's the case. Anyway, here are some questions I'd really like you to answer: 1. How exactly does the bible work "according to what it teaches" but other religious books don't? 2. How is it any more likely that after death your spirit goes to heaven/hell instead of it reincarnating? How can you support your claims about this issue other than "because the bible sais so"?