Halal And Kosher Should Be Illegal

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by stOx, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. wmghori

    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    #62
    I totally agree with you here.

    For those of us that disagree with Stox, remember that you are blessed to have been born a human and not a cow in line ready to get slaughtered.

    They may be stupid creatures, but consider what is unneccessary and can be easily corrected:

     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #63
    Slavery comes in many forms.

    :(
     
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  4. wmghori

    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    Do you know what methods of rendering animals unconcious they use? Mostly electric shock or blow on the head. Have your ever got electric shock or hit on the head? Just try out a taser at low voltage or ask your friend to hit you on the head just to see if its painfull or not. I have a first hand experience with electricity and trust me its very very painfull.

     
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  5. stOx

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    Am i expected to enter into dialogue with someone who compares a taser on low voltage to the massive amperage used to kill livestock?
     
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    #66
    I would rather get creamed over the head than have my throat cut.

    You don't feel massive blunt trauma. It's like getting punched in the face (as long as your nose doesn't get hit, that stings).
     
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    #67
    I would rather have my head hit by a mortar. That way my brain ceases in a violent explosion - instantly rendering all thought of pain gone because it does not have time for the 2/3 of a second response to stimulus. Blowing the head (specifically brain) up into bitty bits is more human than any of your methods. By causing the brain to terminate all electrical activity by sudden explosive force - rendering the animal dead as well - and making sure it is done with explosives, is absolutely the most humane way to do it without using chemicals to put it to sleep first.

    It might be messy - but dammit, not a single nerve impulse will make it.
     
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    LinkSales Active Member

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    #68
    Does anyone else think its a bit ridiculous that a divine (ever loving) God would ever give advice on something as trivial as your diet?
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #69
    He actually seems to have a fetish with poo.
     
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    #70
    Mortar hmmm not a bad idea. Not only would it kill, but it would deliver the meat in bitesized portions as well.

    People just eff up everything, don't they?

    In order for food to be Kosher it must be blessed by a Rabbi. This means a priest must be paid to be present during all of this.

    I only have one thing to say about that...

    $$$ Dolla dolla billz ya'll $$$$
     
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  11. mcfox

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    #71
    Merely an analogy based on his experience, imo.

    I think you missed the more important part of wmghori's post and that's where he refers to the stunning methods used in Industrial slaughter failing to properly stun the animal for the necessary time required.

    Animals stunned with electricity have a nasty habit of failing to bleed out properly due to ventricular fibrillation once they have had the blood vessels of the neck cut. They then come round from being stunned. In the case of pigs which are placed into what's called a 'scald tank' to help remove the hairs from their skin, this means they can then end up going into a scald tank alive and conscious. The temperature in such a tank is anywhere between 55 and 73 degrees Centigrade.

    Chickens (are) similarly processed with similar problems pertaining to bleed out sufficiently to render death. The added problem with chickens is that they regularly miss the stunner entirely due to the wholely mechanised way it is carried out. They face the same type of scald tank process to loosen feathers.

    Chickens slaughtered by Halal or Kosher methods are definitely dead when they enter the scald tank.

    No system of slaughter is perfect. It's an ugly business.

    The Western-humane method of stunning prior to slaughter has problems, some of which have been outlined above. Likewise, the Halal or Kosher methods also have problems imo, in that they do cause the animal unnecessary distress immediately prior to slaughter which those animals subjected to stunning do not experience.

    However, the Halal and Kosher methods do guarantee the animals are dead prior to the secondary processing that occurs (scalding, skinning, etc.) and unfortunately that is not always the case with the stunning method which usually only involves the severing of a single set of blood vessels of the neck.
     
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    #72
    Makes me want to be vegetarian.
     
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  13. ziya

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    #73
    How meat been selling in Europe or in America ? Is there any meat labeled "Halal" ?

    Do you have butchers over there ? :)
     
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    #74
    Yes and Yes :D
     
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    #75
    No matter what, I still feel that the best thing is to become a vegetarian. After all, we are all given a choice to choose.
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #76
    I really can not became a vegetarian. I like meat, fish.. sheep.. I like Kabab espec. made from meat:)
     
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    #77
    I love kabab too. Sikh Kabab, Shami Kabab, Doner Kabab, Chelow Kabab!
     
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    I love steak, I cant be a vegetarian, the diet would kill me. Halal or non Halal is the same for me.
     
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    #79
    The Most Sacred Way to Eat Meat

    THE LAST ASADO

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    #80
    What in Darwin's name?
     
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