The Palestinians cutting the hand that feed them, again!

1. I recommend you to read A History of the Jewish People its a book written by Jews people, to Jews readers, in some parts of it, pages (400-600) it describes how Jews lived under Islamic rule, since before 1000 C.E. till just before Zionism.

2. this is what some Jews say, you may call them nuts though, so look for Lehi letter to Nazis in 1941 in which they offered them alliance, and the other 50 documents in that book.

3. that was an example, Rabin can be another, its not just a murder, its a political assassination.

 

hi ohad
i see that you are very upset but for my own peace of mind i have a couple of questions.
1-i hope that my post was not in any shape or form a denial of holocaust. please tell me if you feel it is, and i remove the part that you feel offensive
2-i am still waiting to see how you feel about a big israel that also includes west bank and gaza arab palestanians? maybe it is not a good time to ask this from you when you are so mad but i am sure you will give me your answer as you really feel and not in anger
3- do you feel that when people try to minimize the influence of Christianity in holocaust, they are engaged is a form of denial or not?
please keep your cool as this is a very hard forum as i told you from the beginning.

 

So I take it you think it should be illegal to deny?

 

2. I will tell you how I feel about a big Israel. It is simply a demographic tactic to take Israel from the Jews. If they allow everyone to live there it will cease to be a Jewish state. That is not a solution for Israel as it gives up everything for nothing.

3. It is a matter of perspective. To me it is odd that some people want to play up any role of Christianity. Why? It is to somehow make Islam look better by a comparison. Anyway, usually it is the same suspects making those claims and their ulterior motive is usually quite apparent.

 

Browntwn, do you mean Jewish state as in the religion or race and if the race, isn't the fact of having a country dedicated to a race of people...racist?

What if there was a country for whites only...imagine the outrage.

 

So you are actually for kicking anyone out of Israel that is not Jewish?

How does that make Israel any better than any other country who has displaced it's population?

 

see, we were talking about Zionists collaboration with Nazis, you can call me fool as you want, feel free to personally attack me as you want too, I won't even bother and report it, as I never did when you did it before,

you can also check these sites I posted their links, those are Jewish people too, aren't they? and they have documents, if you love to argue, and make such posts, thats you not me, if you have something to comment and prove that these documents are lies, or these quotes are fake, you are free to post it.

 

I am not suggesting that anyone be asked to leave or that there is requirement of being Jewish to be a citizen of current Israel. I am speaking more to the idea that nations control immigration to their lands.

I am opposed to creating a NEW greater Israel that includes Palestinians and their lands. I think the Palestinians should have their own independent and viable state.

 

Ahh ok, got you

 

Even if I accept everything you say as true...What is the point? Why are you so desperate to show that some Jews have complicity?

I don't call you a fool, I call holocaust deniers fools. If you are in that group, then so be it.

 

thanks for answering B istill would like to hear ohads opinion.but here is the general idea where i want to go with this so if you want to help.

2-yes that is what i thought. i am just trying to find an acceptable solution. and want to check everything out. this was ohads perfect solution but he wanted to move the palestanians. i discussed in a previous post why this transfer of millions of people is not really doable. what if they don't want to go? any way i agree with your reasoning. so if ohad agrees then this is not a workable solution and we have to abandon this route i will continue. i wait for his response
3-for this i rather hear a jewish perspective. i will talk the reason that i bring this up about later,but it really is not a big deal at all.

 

The Jews and Palestinians have to agree to a equal power share on ALL of Israel, considering the Jewish population was only something like 8% when the state was set up, that is still very kind from the Palestinians if they were to do that

 

I think both Palestinians and Israels first choice would be a transfer of the other population so they could have the land all to themselves. However, it is not realistic for either side and will never happen - nor should it.

 

edit: anyway, you do not know how I feel about my Government or religious leaders, try not to put words in my mouth, or analyze my person because simply you do not know me.

 

well it is up to us to tell them that it is just not going to work like that. i want a f---ing mac mansion but i can't have one lol
and it is not necessary either.
you see they want to find a perfect solution or a good soluion or the best solution
i want them to settle on an acceptable solution.
then they have a solution that will bring them true peace.

 

The ignore "him" did refer to you. (I probably should have put a paragraph break after that sentence)

The rest of the paragraph is speaking of other people with other ideas. That is what is does not say "him", but says "some people" and "small group" and "those fools". Now, if you are in those groups of people then the descriptions apply to you, but it is not something I attribute to you.

 

the one state solution is not acceptable to palestanians or israelis at this time. my goal is to find a fast solution to this conflict that omar and imad can accept. all ideological plans should be removed from the table and both side should try to find a solution ASAP. unless ohad objects and still wants to pursue the one state solution then i might come back to this but foe now i wait for ohads answers or any israeli who wants to help

 

I think with 2 states there still will be fighting, apartheid and roadblocks. It wont be any different to now except Palestine will be officially recognized.

 

as i said it has to be agreed by both sides. i think an agreement can be reached with the support of about 65% of the people on both sides. and hopefully by then even more. the rest have to abide by the rule of majority.
maybe i should open a peace tread

 

I do not mean to break anybody' s wings, but unfortunately, there will never be fast, or easy solution, what is needed not more agreements and conferences, in which Palestinians give up more and more, there was Oslo, road map, Tenet, camp David 2, Wye River, Annapolis, and others, they are dead now.

from Oslo, till now, there were soooooooo many, I even do not remember all their names anymore, but I remember from a conference to another, Palestinians give up more of their rights, on a hope to get something, I do not think they will ever get something this way.