The Palestinians cutting the hand that feed them, again!

El Mufti was never prosecuted at Nuremberg so was obviously not considered a war criminal.

 

I can't make reality any clearer.. That is up to you and you alone.

 

Again with same propaganda?
He's probably responsible for deaths of 100,000 Jews in Yugoslavia, right?
Seriously, is something is published on internet is doesn't mean it's truth.
Can you show us sources for your latest claims?

 

if you have to try to hang the holocaust on muslems and this guy you are either trying to absolve the murder of the jews in the hand of Christians or trying to legitimize your thought on palestanians. may be even to yourself.
one wrong does not make another one right.

 

then we have to change the reality on the ground, so israelis can see what are the benefits for them in pursuing peace. as a matter of fact they are pursuing it and we have to make it a political plus for them to achieve it.
i changed the wording to be more detailed and avoid a stupid down of the conversation.
i hope it is better mia

 

I love it when people quote from the Koran..

 

Really? Mabye you should convert then

 

i changed the wording of my last comment i hope this works for you but i am willing to change it again.
here is carter last night at Charlie rose
edit: i think he is making the same mistake as all of them talking about blame and shit like that i wish he would talk about solutions.

 

That's an awesome responsibility...to speak for the whole "sane" world. You must be an exceptional person of great importance.

I'm part Native American Indian. Moral equivalence fails here. I'm not blowing up Jews or Americans because my religious doctrine tells me to. If anything, muslims could learn from Native American Indians.

You are not really in a position to talk about "occupying" anything. There is no entity on earth with more experience in occupying other's lands than islam. It's wars of conquest to convert the world are well documented.

I dare you to answer this question. Of all the wars of conquest of islamic imperialism since it was invented, what's the one section of land that muslims gave back to the original holders after conquering it?

This claim is true. Hamas' charter is the destruction of Israel and wiping out the Jews. As is Iran's. Peace is not conducive to islam. islam's goal is not peace, it's goal is assimilation and world domination.

palestinians have never been in an opportunity to "kill them all." It's not they don't want to, or that it's not part of their published charter, it's just that they are not smart enough. Look at recent history. islamic nations that have occupied the lands of others have long since banned together to attack Israel, only to have their asses handed to them every time.

Their will to do the work of allah in killing Jews is apparently not as strong as Israel's desire to live without being provoked and attacked by neanderthals. Once again, Israel was Israel before islam was ever invented. The quran even mention's Israel. To assert otherwise, is to suggest the quran is incorrect.

Pick another one and try again.

 

As usual you dragging disscussion to personal level. Nothing new there thou... I'll repeat my questions just in case you finally decide to answer some of questions: Can you show us any international document which says that some of Israel's land is still occupy? Anything at all?

That doesn't change a fact that US is built on genocide commited upon rightful owner of that land and you're talking about moral! Geeez!
Genocide in history - US

It's very annoying to see you constantly trying to make me a muslim! Not that I have anything against them but I do not belong to their religion and I will never belong. I was born as a roman catholic and I will die as roman catholic no matter how hard you try to make people believe that I am muslim!

And I should care about that why?
But to answer your question: as far as I know none. Is there any conqueror in history of mankind that returned land to the orginal holders after conquering it? How about US? Any plans to gave back land to the original holders? Ah yes! Genocide is nice solution, not enough original owners to get land back and not enough of them to fight for that land...
Are you suggestion that we should in 21st century aply moral values of middle age? Can we burn some witches while we're at it? DO you still burn witches in US these days?

Again, you can twist facts as long as you want but it fails each single time: if muslim wanted to kill all Jews as you want to convince everyone they had a chance to kill 800,000 of them but they didn't so once again: your fairy tales and hate spreading fails once again.

 

El Mufti Amin Al-Husseini meets with SS headHimmler and is active in the decision to exterminate all Jews through the infamous Final Solution. El Mufti was given a tour of of Aushwitz death camp by Himmler.

According to testimony by Nazi war criminals, the Mufti's influence was critical to the German decision to annihilate the Jews of Europe. At the Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Dieter Wisliceny testified:

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz."

Wisliceny also testified that after the Mufti's arrival in Germany he had paid a visit to Himmler and shortly afterwards (late in 1941 or early in 1942) had visited Eichmann in his Berlin office at Kürfurstrasse, 116. According to Wisliceny, Eichmann told him that he had brought the Mufti to a special room where he showed him maps illustrating the distribution of the Jewish population in various European countries and delivered a detailed report on the solution of the Jewish problem in Europe.

 

So according to your source El Mufti was "one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry" but somehow you also claim that he is responsible "for the deaths of over 100,000 Jews". Sounds logic,right?
Other than very trustable source such as nazi war criminal Dieter Wisliceny (that would be first time in history of courts that someone try to blame others for their crimes ) do you have any document to back up your claims?
Don't forget that germans at that time were very pedant (they still are!) and everything was documented so can we see some of that stuff please?

 

The Russians took Berlin and many documents were burned or destroyed in the bombings. But here's a few pages of documents for you

 

And the Russians burned only those documents which proves that El Mufti was responsible for Holocaust, right?
Can you show us any relevant book about history or nazis that gives so much "credits" to El Mufti's role in Holocaust?
I would like to read one of those books. Sorry, but quotes and fabrications from zionist sites proves nothing.

 

Not in the least bit. Proclaiming victimhood is a good diversionary tactic though, if one can pull it off effectively. Too premature, IMHO, at this point.

Who are "us?" What group do you belong to? Can you show me any international document which says that some of Israel's land is not occupied? Anything at all?

Demanding of such silliness is a failing strategy. Too easy to flip it around. Refocus and try again.

Nor does it dismiss the islamic imperialism of conversion and conquest by force. It doesn't excuse the modern day genocide by muslims in Darfur. What's your point?

I'm incapable of making you a muslim. I'm flattered that you believe I have that ability. There have been others here to proclaim to be a Christian then ultimately slip up and inadvertently admit they were a muslim. It's happened several times. I'm only commenting on what I see in your posts. I cannot take responsibility for the content of your own posts.

Israel comes to mind. It was attacked by surrounding hostile countries that were occupied, collectively, fought back and rightfully claimed additional land. Moral of the story? Don't attack unless you can win? Yet still, Israel has bent over backwards to return lands it captured as a result of the very people that attacked it.

So you would agree with me here, then, that Israel is a bit more noble that it's islamic imperialist conquerers of the past?

Like the islamic killing fields in Darfur? How about these lands that were taken through genocide?

Will Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iran and others be giving any lands back? Apparently you have no expectation of that. How about the land you are from? Be giving any back? Nope. You simply hold Israel, which was Israel before islam was invented, to a higher standard. Meanwhile, parts of Israel's lands are still occupied by muslims.

Sadly, witches are no longer burned. I can direct you to some savages that are still beheading others though. Some societies progress forward, some do not. Isn't it interesting how you only, ever, point out Christian events though? Perhaps you are not aware of your own posting patterns. Remember, not all infidels are dumbed down

The only problem I see with this strategy, is, you haven't presented any facts to twist. Being aware of facts is not hatred. It does have potential though.

The palestinians have never had an opportunity to kill all Jews in Israel. They have taken every opportunity, though, to kill as many as possible. They hide behind civilians when firing rockets, they fire rockets specifically and with the intention to kill civilians. They just aren't smart enough to do it in one shot.

Not to mention that Hamas' stated objective is the destruction of Israel and killing of the Jews. But we can overlook that teensy weensy little detail, if you want. That will surely convince me you are not a muslim

Brush up on your victimhood skills and I'll check back with you tomorrow. as-Salamu alaikum.

 

Eichmann's claims of familiarity with Haj Amin al-Husseini were dismissed as false by the Allies themselves as Zionist propaganda and he was never prosecuted at Nuremberg:

source

 

We are not discussing persons here, we are discussing issues, so please, try to keep on the topic we discuss and not move to discuss every person who speaks,

speaking of morals equivalence, should include those who invaded native Americans, Native Americans resisted as much as they could, they been treated as less human beings, and sometimes even as no human beings, resulting in killing millions of them, and their tries to resist failed for obvious reasons, read your own history about Native North American Resistance to Genocide.

Who are the original holders of land in Egypt? Morocco? Saudi? Yemen? Syria? Malaysia? Indonesia? Comoros? they are still holding their lands, and they are are still holding on their Islamic faith since long.

you used Iran as an example, I am not sure if you know there are Jews living in Iran who refuse Israelis tries to make them emigrate to Israel?

If their goal was to kill all Jews, Muslims had many chances during history to do so, why didn't they do it then?

 

- I dont think an Isrealy person is more valuble than a Palatinian person.

As you can see one man dies in isreal = 30 people die + 10 Buildings fall in palastine.
Why does isreal blame Hamas as a terrorist oraganization, while hamas is the only small power in palastine.

 

Debating with you it's just a giving you a chance to repeat your usual copy&paste anti-Islam tirade so I'll stop right here giving you that chance.
Have a nice day.