The Palestinians cutting the hand that feed them, again!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Ohad, Apr 25, 2008.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #61
    The irony here is that muslims and islam did not exist when these places were first dubbed holy. Something to think about anyway.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #62
    what does that have to do with it.this is not a religious war this is a war for land
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #63
    what is the point you are trying to make? what does that have to do with here and now? why can't both people live there?
    and where is my apology. this is the proof that you are not trustworthy and we can not depend what you say [by you ,i mean you personally]
    what makes it your[israel] land?
    according to you there were 250000 people at the time so it is their land. now where are these 250000 people and why don't you get out of their land.
    by the way i am also having a hard time finding a map that shows the final borders of israel according to israel
    do you have such a map in your school book that you can show us?
     
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  4. Ohad

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    #64
    the point that i am trying to show that it's not their land. we were here a lot before them and there is not such thing "Palestinians", they are Egyptians and Syrians emigrants.
    you will not get my apology because Israel do provide east-Jerusalem schools. maybe not all the schools but some of them for sure.
    map of Israel - depends who you ask. if you will ask me, i will show you a map of Israel after Six-Days war, the right map.
    if you will ask extreme-leftist Israeli he will show you the map of Israel before 1967.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #65
    why don't you show us three map
    official israeli map
    map in your school book
    map that you believe
    or any other diffrent map that you feel we should look at it. official map is the main one that i am looking for
    i don't believe this i am asking for three map for one country?
    call the palestanian whatever you want just end the occupation
    you have to live with the palestanians. anything other than that and you are being dishonest maybe even with yourself. i belive in the right of israel to exist but not biblically. and i also feel that the occupation must end why don't israel annex west bank and gaza and make one big country with every one in it?
    you can not really expect to continue this situation for ever do you?
     
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  6. Ohad

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    #66
    1. there is not such things "Palestinians", they are Egyptians and Syrians.
    2. the biblically Israel including the whole Lebanon, parts of Syria, Jordan and parts of Egypt. so, we never said that we want to live in the biblically Israel.
    3. the map that in my school book including the borders after 1967, but A zones are marked. but as i see it, there is not such things A zones, because there is no such thing Palestinians.
     
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  7. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #67
    where is the map? you keep on asking for the world to support israel. i want to see the map that you want people to support.
    it seems that it is not only me. you are having a problem showing us a map too
    maybe a map on an official govt site that shows the borders that we are supposed to support.
    we live the palestanians name for later so we can concentrate on the map
     
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    #68
    When you take something and don't pay for it we call it stealing in civilized world. Of course I don't consider Israel to be part of that world.

    Peace Now: Most outposts partly built on private Palestinian land

    Vice PM: Ofra settlement homes built on private Palestinian land
    More than one-third of settlements built on private Palestinian land:Report
    How about land,houses and villages of those 700,000 Palestinians you expelled from Israel? When did you pay them for their property? Can we see proof of that?

    How about "Americans"? Do they exists? Why do you always ignore questions that doesn't sounds good for things you try to prove?

    Nope but your actions speaks louder than that...

    You think if you repeat something 100 times it will become truth. Goebbels failed in that so do you. :)
     
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  9. Ohad

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    #69


    it is interesting how every settlement built on Arab land. interesting coincidence.
    about the Americans - i know they came from England. but after that they fought against the British, right?
    and that is pretty wretched that you complain about results of war that they started.
    reported about comparing me to Nazi war criminal.
     
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    #70
    you can not take the land from its owners even when you win the war

    where is the map?
    i am trying to see if there is a possibility for peace and i can not find a map
    strange
     
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    #71
    Nope, they are built on land stolen from Palestinian and as I can see you don't deny it so thanks for finally admitting stealing. :)

    American came from England?!? :D
    Remind me to never ask you questions about nations lol

    Again you are showing that you know so little about history (even yours!). What war you're talking about? Learn something about your history...

    Do you need more quotes?

    :D
    No comment hahahahaha

    They will never show you the map because after they show you that they will not be able to grab some more land. Read about Abbas last meeting with Bush and what they talked about and how Bush avoided to give any direct answer and everything for him was "looking at bigger picture".
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #72
    It goes to the point of original ownership. Places islamic followers claim as their holy lands, never were their holy lands. There were/are something else.

    This is not a theological opinion, but a historical fact.

    Either way, there are only one group of people waring for this land, and it ain't original owners.
     
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    #73
    too bad their stu---ity should not be allowed to harm others.
    do you have a map so we can see if we can reach a compromise?
     
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  14. Ohad

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    #74
    America isn't the topic.

    and again you are lying. Jordan attacked us in Six Days War. it's a fact. and you tell me to learn history.

    I support transfer too. they have enough countries and territory so why do they need to nibble in our homeland?!

    and here is the map, as i see it:
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  15. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #75
    I think this puts into perspective just how fair:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: the land "compromise" is.. Not much of a compromise is it?

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    #76
    I saw a pig fly yesterday...
     
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    #77
    Yesterday I saw that pig flying too :rolleyes:
     
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    #78
    what is transfer? israelis want to transfer? i
    it seems like the one state solution!!
    you want israel to absorb all the arabs? if arabs agree then all of their refugees can come back also. you know that international law allows for refugees to go back to their home after hostility is over it seems like a fair plan to me.
    by the way is there an official map also?
    can we have the map in your school book too.
     
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    #79
    what is transfer?
    we must find a way for the jews to feel safe without harming the paletanians
    don't you agree?
     
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    #80
    but as I hear, Israelis say: "they want to destroy us (Israel)!", a bit close to "they hate our freedom!" I think since it would really sound weird if you said (Islam welcomes the destruction of Israel) it won't have big impact, besides there was no Israel when Islam started, so instead, you said, their religion, welcomes the destruction of Jews.

    no matter how hard you try to stick this to Islam, it won't fit, because, historically, Jews lived in Muslim countries without any problem, even till now, there are still Jews living in Iran, Morocco, and other Muslim countries.

    like I said to others, if you have proofs, mention it, you are welcome to post verses from Quran that you think it welcomes the destruction of Jews, or others, I will interpret them for you, it won't be my own interpretation, its the known interpretation since ages, after that, I will post from Talmud, and Torah, since both are used in Israel now, what I think are verses that calls for the destruction of others, and you or anybody else, interpret them for me :D

    wouldn't it be very nice if we understood each other religion more?
     
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