Civil War: Which Side?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ncz_nate, Apr 26, 2008.

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Which Side?

  1. North!

    61.5%
  2. South!

    38.5%
  1. #1
    Which side would you have supported and why?

    I like the South myself, Uncle Sam = Big Brother.
     
    ncz_nate, Apr 26, 2008 IP
  2. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    I would support the North because blue is a better color for me. Welcome back!:)
     
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  3. bogart

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    Replublicans lead by honest Abe Lincoln supported the North and Democrats favored the Confederacy.
     
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    #4
    As usual instead of answering simple question you post some random facts. Each single day I am more convinced that you are posting bot!

    On topic, most of us outside US doesn't have enough information about your civil war to answer this question properly. Thou, we could do some research.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    Oh sorry. I thought this was a forum. I forgot that I'm here to answer simple questions for you. I'll take your comments under advisement next time I post.

    Now back to the topic at hand. Both the confederacy and the Islamic World were slave holding entities.

    In 2003 a high-level Saudi jurist, Shaykh Salih al-Fawzaan, issued a fatwa claiming “Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_slavery
     
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  6. iggysick

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    Yeah this is forum and it's normal when you participate in particular thread is to answer the question of OP. See thread title. Do you see question there? :rolleyes:

    Is there any topic that you can't use to spread your hate?
    Saudis are big buddy of US as I can remember! :)
     
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  7. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    The topic doesnt mean , If you will open a thread about aliens , I guess he will show his hate again, and would try "relate" .
     
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    OK. I support the North because they were against slavery.

    Which side do you support?

    What are you talking about? :confused:
     
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  9. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    My question is this, was it really necessary of Lincoln to kill all of our own people (southerners)?
     
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    Shazz Prominent Member

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    North...
    Slavery says it all
     
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    The war wasn't fought to end slavery. That is a myth has been spread far and wide, but the history books don't back up.

    The war was fought over the right of secession, the right of the confederate states to leave the US.
     
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    sheilasultani Peon

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    Well, the south was trying there hardest to kill of of their people(northerners)


    I would like to think I would have been on the northern side, but, who could say, I was born in Charleston, SC, so I probably who have been with the South.
     
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    The South fired the first shots of the Civil War at Fort Sumter.

    Only [Confederate] Secretary of State Robert Toombs opposed this decision: he reportedly told [Confederate President] Jefferson Davis the attack "will lose us every friend at the North. You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest. ... Legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary. It puts us in the wrong. It is fatal."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter

    South = Confederate States of American = Johnny Rebs
    North = United States of America = Yankees
     
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  14. northpointaiki

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    This is correct. It's why Lincoln fought the war.

    However, I think regardless of Lincoln, the war was going to come, inevitably, as a matter of political economic development.
     
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    It was the south who fired first on Fort Sumter and it was the south who seceded from the Union which started the Civil war.
     
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    The South did try to secede peacefully.

    When the states were not allowed to secede, it was a big blow against liberty in my opinion. Peaceful secession is the most moral way to resolve differences.

    Sadly, Lincoln was the first Imperial American President, a template for GWB.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_liberties_suspended
    This is a very good debate between Harry Jaffa and Thomas DiLorenzo.

    http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=9

    I don't think it is possible to read the above link, and not be smarter for it. Excellent debate followed by Q&A
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    Great discussion going here, seems to be an accurate reflection not only the forums but in real life of the distorted history they teach in public schools, ESPECIALLY elementary, gotta get'em while they're young ya know.
     
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    #18


    Sorry but the constitution doesn't have an opt out clause. You can't leave when ever you want. Also I don't know how firing on a US military fort 5 days after seceding is peaceful attempt to secede from the Union.
     
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    Read the debate. If men have an inalienable right to liberty, they must have a right to secession. To imply otherwise, means they are not in fact free.

    As to firing on the fort, I think you need to read a complete history so you can put that in context. The South was willing to leave without violence. The North wasn't having any of it.
     
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    The underlying cause of the US Civil War was slavery. In the 1858 Lincoln-Douglas debates, a nationally famous contest on slavery, Lincoln warned that the "Slave Power" was threatening the values of republicanism. Douglas emphasized the supremacy of democracy, as set forth in his Freeport Doctrine, which said that local settlers should be free to choose whether to allow slavery or not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
     
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