Israeli control of Israel prophisied in the Bible.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Ckrismoney, Apr 23, 2008.

  1. #1
    In the Bible GOD said HE would plant His people the Jews back in Israel and never uproot them again.

    Amos 9:14-15 (King James Version)
    14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

    15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD( YAHWEH) thy God.

    This was in the Bible very long ago and it has came true they have their land back and their military is strong enough to keep it.

    That means any struggle against them by islamic countries is a waste of time like the 6 day war.

    Jeremiah 16:14-15 (King James Version)


    14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

    GOD keeps HIS WORD.
     
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  2. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    I guess if that's the case the US can stop giving them all their arms, building up their army as the bible says it so we do not even need to help them at all.

    That is great news..........
     
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  3. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    That would make the U.S. a terrible ally though.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    The first obligation of the US should be to the US. As long as there are citizens without health care, poor, veterans living on the street because they are denied benefits, how can anyone rationalize sending foreign aid, to ANY COUNTRY?

    The first obligation of the government is to the citizens, not to foreign nations or religious ideologies.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    I didn't know being an ally meant we need to give severe aid to a country who already is not poor, especially a country who has nothing to worry about as the bible says so.
     
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  6. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #7
    stop being such a religious fanatic
    by the way i think this is a jewish prophecy[may be i am using the wrong word ]but this is what made me pro peace. it is scary when you consider the barrier/wall that israel building on this

    Israel would not "go up like a wall" [conquer Eretz Yisrael by massive force].
     
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  8. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    The Bible prediction has come true that's a fact.

    Since when is raising awareness and being thankful to a people that have helped our country being a religious fanatic.
     
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    imad Peon

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    #9
    with all respect, what I see a waste of time is what you are doing Ckrismoney, logically if they are the chosen people, they deserve a chosen place, not to promise them this Palestine surrounded with terrorists from all sides, so they have to complain and cry daily and ask for world sympathy since before 1948 till now.
     
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    Jewish Americans are not Jewish Israelis any more than Italian Americans are Italians.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    religious fanatic because you want to force your religion at the point of a gun
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #12
    Isn't that the truth, their politics are oddly very different as well.

    I don't care who the country is, when they are fairly rich to begin with I will not support us sending the gobs of money we do to them.

    They are not a poor country, they can easily fend for themselves. Being an 'ally' also does not equate to us giving them everything on a silver platter, that is not what being an 'ally' is all about.

    I am against pretty much all foreign aid before anyone tries to paint me as an 'anti semite' just because I do not support the huge amounts of aid we give to Israel.

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    Furthermore I definitely do not support our governments stances, especially on defense issues such as this, based upon the bible. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #13
    Your looking at it wrong it shows how you think.

    If you were Jewish and helped a country, wouldn't you want a homeland to help as well.

    It would be good for the country you helped to help you gain your homeland back.

    So you can go to your land when you want to take your kids to let them enjoy the land of their people instaed of being stuck in America and that's it.

    And this is the big one. If Christopher Columbus ( who's mother and sister confessed to the spanish inquisition that they where Jews ) had not discovered the Americas there is a great chance that we would not have the U.S. anyway Christopher Columbus was a Jew like his mother and sister.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #14

    I do not think God is a factor in national security. Which is why I support giving military aid to our ally Israel.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #15
    You're a little nutty right?

    Not all Jews are Israelis. Many of the Jewish Americans you cited, are generations removed from living in the Middle East. They may have a biblical and genetic claim, but it's hard to argue that they have a historical one. I mean, at what point is a Jew an American? or German? or a Russian? Do Jews ever become citizens of the countries they live in, or are they all Israelis?

    Btw, if they don't want to be "stuck in America", then they have no rights to the hard won earnings of the American people.

    EDITED TO ADD: I've listened to Zionist Radical Israeli radio over the net. I think a lot of Americans are totally retarded about Israel. They seem to think that all Jews feel the same way about Zionism and Israel. They don't. And many Zionist Jews dislike American Jews for not returning to Israel, but instead staying in the safety and luxury of America, and satisfying their Jewish consciences by sending aid or American intervention, which again, some Jews actually feels threatens Israel by making them (as Browntwn would put it) the "canary in the coalmine".

    I actually don't have a problem with real Zionists. You can learn a lot by listening to others, even people you presume to be your enemies or counterparts.

    It's the retarded Christian Zionists that really piss me off. They treat the Jewish people like their children, and interfere in Israeli matters with only a superficial understanding and absolutely no experience of the reality of the situation there.
     
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    #16
    This was before the Jews messed up and started killing prophets, the covenant switched to the Arabs when Muhammed PBUH came, the Jews still haven't learnt and they rejected the last prophet (and Jesus) - may they be guided.
     
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  17. Ckrismoney

    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #17

    You are nutty!

    There is a thing called race.

    Nationality is one thing but your race is you genetic heritige.

    That's like telling a Mexican America should not help Mexico because he's an American that's racist. Mexicans have helped America in many ways but with your mentality that doesn't count because they are Mexican American.
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    In your dreams!

    We checked out the islam prophet enough to know he's no prophet at all.
     
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    Nice rebuttal
     
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    This sounds like building a mosque on top of someone else's religious site and claiming it as your own?
     
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