Why Israel should keep provide Gaza fuel?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Ohad, Apr 18, 2008.

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  1. sweetsara

    sweetsara Peon

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    #81
    Is this an Israeli tactic? Whatever type of attack you do just say the Palestinians do it? Zionists always say that Palestinians use human shields, but yet I just showed you a video of the IDF using a human shield.
     
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    #82
    don't you know to read?!
    i wrote this is exception.
    can you answer my question please?
    how the Palestinians want us to provide them fuel, in time they killing the fuel company workers while they working?!?!
     
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    #83
    Don't stress too much, this is common amongst the ignorant or islamist (terrorist...) they try to justify their 10,000 instances with one, and half the time they make up the one. IE: green helmet guy.

    I didn't see the video he/she posted, but I am betting it is the one with the kid on the hood of the jeep and they call him a human shield... laughable, since he isn't shielding anyone and if it stops his friends from throwing rocks - boo hoo.
     
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    #84
    how much are you betting
     
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    #85
    So now I watched the video and you guys want to compare "human shields" holy cow, how stupid can one be. Do you not see the differences?

    I should stop for a second and let you know that I would condemn if what the girl said was true, but since lying is a norm for this culture I don't know.

    Lets see.... human shields such as kids, kids in school, hurt people in hospitals, the UN, or just ignorant americans willing to lay down under a tractor -- vs. -- some teenager walking in front of Israeli army probably in his own neighborhood and telling them where his dad is with the RPG.
     
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    #86
    So I just got called a terrorist because I object to people being used as human shields. What is the world coming to? Thanks for the red reputation by the way "I should come out of my box and see the real world?" So the video is not the real world? It certainly isn't fake so I don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    #87
    Israel should provide Gaza with gas...and then a pack of matches.
     
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    #88
    if you do not see how Mandela won over south africa you choose not to.
    palestanians not only have lost the actual military conflict but also the public relation war. their military resistance is weak and inefective. since they have no way of increasing their military effectivness within the near future they have to adobt a new strategy. and the only way that they can gather enough support to be any kind of effect on israelis they must use a non violant methods.
    of course some people are lost in their ideological assasments to face the reality that palestanians face. they are usually in other countries and do not face the harshness that the palestanians are facing. it is ok for them that, this strugle will last longer as long as "end result" is in their idological wish list.
    i on the other hand want to make a positive influence in their life and i see that they have a better chance to achive this in a non violent manner.
    your strategy has not worked in the last 60 years and most probably not going to work for the next few decades.
    it is time to look at the situation from a diffrent angle and that is trying to find out of the box solutions rather than keep on doing the things that do not work.
     
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    #89
    I didn't call you a terrorist, but if you want to see it that way so be it.
     
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    #90
    palestanians use palestanian kids as shield
    israelis used palestania kids as shield
    that is what human shield is
     
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    #91
    palestinians use people as human shields (human=people)

    I don't see how you can equate what you saw on that video to a human shield. What I saw would not work as a shield or deterrent in anyway. If someone wanted to attack the soldiers they were not shielded.

    Hiding in a school and shooting rockets knowing that rockets will be fired back and keeping the kids there in order to deter a return fire - that is a human shield.

    You really are stretching and you know it.
     
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    #92
    If the Palestinians would put on uniforms and fight like men, the whole world might respect them a lot more than they do.
     
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    #93
    Source? And an actual source, not an article that says "Israel says they had human shields" because to be honest, Israels word isn't credible enough. All the witnesses from these accounts say there were no fighters anywhere near, especially the incident where Israel bombed a hospital.

    I think you are the one who needs to "come out the box" and into the real world, there is a video of Israel using a palestinian kid as a human shield and you are denying it, even though you just seen it with your own eyes . :eek:

    If someone came into your back garden, with a tank and tried to trample down your house, are you going to take time to put uniform on, do your hair and put nice shoes on or are you going to rush out and stop them?
     
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    #94
    then you tell me what it was
    would you like if it was your child
    whatever it is i do not like it
     
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    #95
    and i still don't get the answer to my question... why? because you don't have pro-Palestinian words to say about this.
    and this is the question if you forgot:
    how the Palestinians want us to provide them fuel, in time they killing the fuel company workers while they working?!?!
     
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    #96
    You can't teach common sense to someone who is fueled by hatred. They just see it as a bonus to kill a jooo and get fuel too.
     
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    #97
    Because Palestine shouldnt have to rely on its enemy to supply them fuel.

    Yes, I noticed.
     
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    #98
    we should be clear when we speak about the public opinion, the public opinion in the region was and still with the Palestinians, the public opinion outside the region is much effected with the continuous Zionist propaganda like the new MEMRI TV, the public opinion outside the region knew nothing about the Palestinian cause till 80's when the armed struggle actually started, they were thinking completely the opposite that Palestinians and Arabs in general are attacking Israel while the fact was it was Israel attacking Arabs and having a project for "Greater Israel"

    I also say that Palestinians since they are the real victims are free to resist in any way they see suitable to deal with the enemy. The harshness that Palestinians are facing now was the same harshness they were facing before they start their armed struggle. so nothing have changed for them, what triggered the first intifada was an Israeli truck hit a group of Palestinians workers on purpose killing 6, it was unarmed.

    first suicide bombing happened after an Israeli terrorist killed 29 Palestinians while they were praying in mosque.
     
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    #99
    the question for me is what is the best strategy in achieving peace in ME. toward that goal i feel the non violent means will produce a faster peace. you and Israelis both want to score points with the rest of us so you can continue this conflict of yours. i am against that. i want you to concentrate on finding solutions to your conflict. i want both to stop this bickering for our benefit.go and figure out how you can defuse the situation
    and work toward a compromise.isnt that your ultimate goal?
    it is true that Israelis are better in pr but when i point out how you can improve your image in the west then you are not happy
     
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    #100
    How can you try to find solutions when everytime you try, your family or yourself gets killed? The palestinians are sick of trying for peace so they feel they have no choice but to resist with violence, it isn't a battle of land or freedom but a battle for a life with dignity or without it.
     
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