Fitna - Schism (The Bible version of Fitna)

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  1. sweetsara

    sweetsara Peon

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    #21
    Yes, to a mere infidel like you lol, as long as you don't deal unjustly with our people, you won't be dealt with unjustly.
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #22


    You added the tax part yourself. You just added to the quran.

    That surah says nothing about tax in other translations.
     
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    sweetsara Peon

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    #23
    :confused::confused::confused:
     
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    Ckrismoney Well-Known Member

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    #24
    surah 9: 5 But when the forbidden months are past then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful"

    The quran is full of these.

    If not, why is islam acting so crazy?

    I guess they just make themselves kill and blow up people out of pure imagination.
     
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  5. sweetsara

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    #25
    In order to understand the context, you need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Pagans of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Pagans of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Pagans of Makkah to make amends

    The oft-quoted Quranic verse about killing of disbelievers pertains to only a particular period when the disbelievers had rejected a treaty. It is like generalising the American army order to kill Vietnamese guerillas for all time to come

    Consider yourself, DEBUNKED! :D. :p

    Islam is not acting crazy, people do not blow them selves up because it is 'fun', Islamic people are oppressed all over the world, so it is their right to resist violence with violence!
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #26
    I am not familiar about the initial paragraph of your post. But IMHO I do have some reservations over the latter part, Muslims aren't oppressed in most parts of the world. At least in countries that oppressed Muslims, the rulers are Muslims themselves.

    Any Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth, have you heard of the story that when you are slapped on your side of your face, turn the other side to be slapped as well? Mahatma Gandhi did well and it is through his perseverance in non violence that we see India now, getting huge and power as it is, still remained unaligned and peaceful.


     
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  7. Lexiseek

    Lexiseek Banned

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    #27
    That just comes across so cocky.
     
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  8. sweetsara

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    #28
    Palestine/Israel, Chechenya, USA, UK, France, Serbia, South Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan & more. Mabye I should of said most non Muslim countries but my point is still a valid one.
     
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    #29
    The UK in many parts has mini Middle Eastern communities, mosques etc & you think your oppressed? we are even paying benefits to muslims with multiple wives, even though being married to more than one person in the UK is a criminal offence.

    BTW I'm an infidel from the UK:)
     
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    #30
    In the UK it isn't oppression by the goverment but by racist islamaphobic thugs.
     
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    #31
    Well in that case if you want to say islamophobia is oppression of an whole group of people then you can say we are under islamic oppression, for example there are muslim thugs than can't handle anything western & attack British people unprovoked, then we are having to keep whole families of them whilst being oppressed by them.

    We are also oppressed by little islamic thugs that don't understand that you don't let fireworks off in the UK on buses or on the trains/tube.

    Is oppression so-called islamophobia? or bombings done by your people to British citizens?

    If islamophobia is oppression? then you as a group are oppressed by the whole world because i can tell you for a fact that there is at least 1 person in each country that is allergic to muslims so to speak, rightly or wrongly.
     
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    #32
    I think they feel oppressed because we don't allow them to kill anyone they want without punishment....

    ...sad I know....
     
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    #33
    You know whats sad? That a grown mature man like you would come out with a statement like that, is this America these days?
     
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    #34
    But as usual, no one says what I am saying is incorrect, they just complain because they don't like the truth being told.
     
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    #35
    Freedom of Speech means people are going to say things that you might not like, and they have the legal right to. That is America these days.
     
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    #36
    Oppression?
    State handouts for multiple wives
    Fast track building permits for mosques
    Ability to opt out of doing the job they are paid for if they claim it is against their religion
    Everyone treading on egg shells in fear of "offending" them
    Curtailing freedom of speech if it involves anyone saying anything about their invisible friend

    If that is oppression then send some my way, It sounds like a doddle. You have it made.
     
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    #37
    As I said, in the UK it is non goverment, can you read?

    Oh, well, we have this thing called maturity, where people act sensible, don't think you guys have that.
     
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    #38
    Do you have any examples of this non-government oppression? Or are you just pretending to be a victim? Britain, The government and the people, Bend over backwards to cater for muslims who refuse to adapt and want to maintain the culture that they have fled. we bend over backwards to cater for their religious requirements. We even give them police protection when they take to the streets to protest whatever trivial matter they happen to be outraged about at that particular point in time and calling for the assassination of the leader of the country they are in.

    To any immigrant muslims who don't like the way things are in Britain i suggest they pack their bags and get back on the plane that brought them here. They wont be missed.
     
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    #39
    Maturity would include dealing with your problems and not blaming others for them.
     
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    #40

    based on no historic affairs, this is the reaility of todya
     
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