Why Israel should keep provide Gaza fuel?

Pizzaman:

That is a productive thought. Bring in exclusive aid from non Iranian and independant sources.

Actually, I think that goes against history within the middle east insofar as helping palestinians for the last 60 years.

Those with the guns want to retain power and will probably shoot and kill anyone that would strip their power.

But it is a great idea.

Dave

 

thanks.
history of middle east sucks. we must get away from that.
we should force our leaders to stop talking about "whose fault it is " to " how can we do that" and then the doors will open
as far as the rule of gun goes. we should show them a way to keep their power in their society without gun. if there is an option for peace that majority of palestanians accept hamas will have to support it or they will lose their support.just look what is happening to al qada in iraq and how easily they are losing.

 

I'm not sure that the "how easily they are losing" aspect is all that easy. Its costing the US $2 billion or more a week. There is a sh1tload of killing going on. The result of this effort is reducing al Queda like violence from 2006/2007 levels but maybe taking it down to 2004/2005. Still a lot of violence. Just in the last couple of days there was a suicide bombing at a Sunni funeral with about 30-50 Sunni's dead. The suicide bombing was attributed to al-queda in Iraq.

Think of the utter horror of a funeral being attacked with mourners being shredded to pieces by some vest carrying murderer. So much for the peace and dignity of people.

If it was al-queda in iraq it was another sunni; a murderous anarchist killer. So much for peace amongst brothers.

 

i am not saying it is fixed just that an alternative has been found that seems to work a lot better. what is happening is that the regular iraqi tribes have become anti alqada which is exactly what i predict will happen in gaza if hamas wants to go against a popular peace.
for sure that the current strategy of israel is not reducing their popularity and as you have already said has allowed for them to arm.

 

yeah...except it has taken the power of a gun to negate the power of a gun that alqueda in iraq had.

but peaceful alternatives to the status quo would be an improvement.

 

they were co-opted cash and some guns cash is always good
you know Dave if they would broadcast the negotiations live it would succeed in a few months.
pay per view at fox lol
i think there is already an agreement and they just getting the people ready.
i said this months ago. i hope israelis make sure to get hamas involved somehow, to make it a lasting peace rather than another failure. let them own it too.

 

The amount of Zionist people on this forum is just way too much. I mean its fair in saying that this debate about Israels crimes, can be two sided, but this Place there is only one side.

Look at the food, electricity and wealth the Zionist Israelis have, and look at what the Palestinians have, yet the country use to be palestine less than 90 years ago.

They can keep lieing and be more and more racist, while they call other racists, but it only makes others around the world hate zionists even more.

 

this is pretty much useless blah
it fails to give a solution and it achieves nothing. i know people on the other side do it too but it does not make it any less blah.

 

The only person who is a bigot around here is you. You call everyone you disagree with a zionist or racist.

You call everyone who disagrees with your positions a liar.

You do not debate or discuss, you insult and argue. Grow up.

 

Guys please...
A terrorist is a terrorsit to one side and a freedom fighter to other.
This subject will never see an end. Israel is not a perfect country and neither is palestine. When you opress a country so much you get a fighter that is a terorist to some and a freedom fighter to others.
I hope that people will stop blaming both sides and for one time in your life stop looking for what each side is doing wrong but what each side should do to get this problem solved.
Agian this is just a my opinion i could be wrong I could be right, what matters the most is to how many poeple I sound right not to how many i sound wrong.
Peace.

 

You call everyone that disagrees with you a Anti-Semite. You insulted me by calling me a fool, you even cussed my mom. AND THEN THAT POST WAS DELETED BY THE MODS HERE, WHICH CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING

 

1. I do not call everyone I disagree with an antisemite. I called you one because I think you are one.

2. I never cussed at your mom or parents. That is a lie that you keep repeating. I said that your parents should have taught you what the meaning of a lie was. That is not cussing.

3. You are so biased that you accuse everyone, including DP of being run by Jews. One day, if you think about it, you may realize how absurd that position is. I would explain it to you now, but it is more fun to watch you keep making an ass of yourself.

 

the amounts of peace conferences since Madrid peace conference in 1991, till now, different names but always same results, from negotiating about a solution for the Arab/Israel conflict, to negotiations about rockets, each time the amount of disappointment after no-serious hopes for peace push more people to the extremists side, the only man who was serious from the Israeli side to make real peace was Rabin, and he been shot dead by Zionists, why? and the real problem, after Rabin, there is nobody serious to make peace in Israel.

I thought Arafat was the only obstacle in peace process as they used to say? now after he is dead, they were able to find many other obstacles.

 

I agree, Mandela once been called a terrorist and spent long years in jail. There are like 11000+ Palestinian Mandela's in Israeli prisons, and one Israeli prisoner in Hamas prisons.

 

imad i think something has changed in the geopolitical equation of ME and that is the emergence of iran. this have put the arabs and israelis and palestanian on the same side of the equation
if i was in charge of hamas i would give carter a guarantee for stop on the rockets. it does not work it achives nothing. maybe even release the soldier. this would push the world opinion to peace. palestanians have no chance to win with force. if you don't have good cards then change your cards.

 

Hamas welcomed Carter, they are willing to talk, on the other side Israel accused him of antisemitism, and made his work for peace harder.

Hamas did stop all violence before, it should not be from one side, Israel did not stop assassinating their leaders, many times Hamas declared cease fire from one side, and it did not hold for long, Israel would send an apache to assassinate a leader and again violence is back, then Israel cry why Hamas is violent.

I think Hamas will be willing to release the soldier and stop rockets only if Israel guaranteed they will stop their assassinations and the release of some prisoners specially children and women.

 

as i said hamas can not win a military conflict. they need to win public support and carter coming back with the soldier would change their image and then large weekly demonstration without any violence, no stone trowing or fires
as i said a gandi approach or mandela approach has the best chance of success
let me ask you something imad
how would you feel if tommorrow israel turn over the control of the mosqe to jordan or saudi arabia or arab league?

 

Which public support are we talking about here? Hamas was established in late 80's 20 years after occupation, where was the public support? It did not stop Israeli crimes.

Hamas already had the Palestinians public support in the elections, I think that's what matters for them now after the world public support said and did nothing since long ago.

 

how about my second question. i added it so you might have missed

 

I will be careful in my feelings, as I saw what a withdrawal from Gaza means, I do not think this would ever happen, but if it did, it will be great step towards peace only if it was a part of a whole plan in which both sides are monitored by unbiased international organizations like UN, and HRW, and which ends by a real independent Palestinian state.