There is no scientific evidence of existence of God

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by it career, Sep 26, 2007.

  1. #1
    Few questions to rationalists.
    How scientific are our existences?
    What would you do in the following scenarios
    1. When you feel pain and go to doctor and the doctor asks you to prove scientifically that you are actually having pain.

    2. When you feel hungry and ask your wife for food, she asks you to prove that you are really hungry

    3. When you tell your girlfriend that you love her, she can also ask for scientific evidence of the fact

    4. When you cross roads do you think scientifically that you could be run over by a speeding vehicle and stop

    If all the above questions sound ridiculous to you. Then when someone tells that they feel presence of god, why do you ask for scientific proof ?
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    Here's one I heard from a kid: for evolution to happen there must always be something before it.
     
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    actually those who might have really got the clue of god or have really seen wont come out and tell everyone , its logical.

    there can be no proof for truth, honesty.
     
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    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    #4
    it's called faith...
     
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    ahem....except me. I have not seen God but do have a clue, and I tell as many people as possible :)
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    That's a nice little strawman argument you constructed there. The thing you are entirely failing to comprehend is that rationalists don't ask for evidence that you "feel" god, I believe that you possibly could feel something that you are misinterpreting as god. Rationalists ask for evidence of the existence of god. An entirely different thing.

    Does a psychiatrist ask for evidence that the man in the insane asylum believes he is lord nelson? No, Because it's entirely plausible that an insane man may believe he is lord nelson. Does that mean he is actually lord Nelson? of course not.
     
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    it career Notable Member

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    Supose you are put a in a big dark glass room , no light, no air. Now how will you prove that you exist to other rationalist like you.
    If all means of communication is taken away from you, can you prove that you exist ?
     
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    #8
    what you are talking about are feelings, feeling hungry, feeling thirsty, feeling love, and feelings have nothing to do with science, and neither does religion for the selfsame reason, because faith is about feellings not fact.
    you can feel what you describe as the presence of god but you cannot prove it scientifically. so this argument is irrelevant. perhaps you are trying to make a point but i am not sure what that point is, unless your point is that religion is not scientific, in which case i fully agree with you.
    faith is subjective, science is objective, end of.
     
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    Of course. I had existed before and people would have seen me. Why would they assume that i cease to exist simply because they can't see me at any given time?

    Am i the only one who finds it amusing that this guy is equating the abilities of the almighty to a human stuck in a dark box with no air? You are making your god out to be some pathetic incompetent.
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.
     
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    On the contrary, I am questioning your capabilities, just because you cannot communicate to God or say Aliens, or they do not bother to communicate with you that does not mean they cannot exists.
     
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    #12
    1) Brain scans can prove that the brain is sensing pain.

    2) Certain chemicals are released into the body when someone is hungry, so a scientist could deduce that with chemical analysis of bodily fluids.

    3) Love is not scientific. Hormones are scientific. A deep attraction can be proven with science, love cannot. Belief in love is similar to a belief in God.

    4) You'll have to rephrase this one, I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    God exists and is completely provable........you just have the spelling wrong, it is spelled N-A-T-U-R-E.
     
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    You are right, It doesn't mean they can't exist. But it also means there is no reason to assume it does exist. You can not communicate with elves, Does that in any way give credibility to the belief that they exist?

    You aren't trying to make out that this complete lack of evidence supports your theory better than it supports mine, are you?
     
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    There is no proof for god, but the origins of existence have no proof either. Either a higher being who was always there created us, or the universe was always there. The latter is not only unscientific, its proven wrong. Stephen Hawking proved that everything is moving away from eachother at speeds that will never relapse. Even if they did relapse, an infinite time ago would not render a universe with separate things in it.

    Its six of one or half a dozen of the other. God has no scientific proof, but not having a God requires the same (if not more) faith.
     
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    There is no scientific evidence and there will never be any.
     
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    Every time we try to have a logical discussion someone interrupts it and start this magical discussion of a magical God who created nature. But no, they don't want to discuss matter, atoms, etc. They want to disrupt the purpose by saying a God did it when we're trying to scientifically look at it. Give me scientific evidence of your claims... :mad: Put the anti-science civilians on an island and let them pray to their Gods whiles we scientifically advance our world (those who actually review science).
     
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    I have one word..

    AMEN

    HAHAHA yes that was sarcastic. There is no such thing as god, there was a beginning, it is called BIG BANG!!!!
     
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    Proof of God is everything around you.

    What came before the creation of the universe?

    Something cannot come from nothing, many world renowned scientists have quotes like this.

    Einstein says in order for time to exist there must be matter and space. God is not trapped in the realm of time.. he has no beginning and no end, he is merely the reason.
     
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    scientific evidence that God exists? well, God existed before science, and before the universe, before the universe exists, God existed, Atheist, always say the universe started by a big bang? so there was a big bang before the universe? who did this big bang? I wish to know the answer from them.
     
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