Libertarianism and Government

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  1. #1
    Libertarianism and Government

    Both should -=NOT=- be capitalized. :)

    Some choice starting points for anyone interested in small, limited, constitutional government. As in, LEGAL government.


    Why I Am a Ron Paul Libertarian
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/warford1.html




    Davy Crockett - "Not Yours to Give"
    http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm



    What If Public Schools Were Abolished?
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/public-schools-abolished.html



    libertarians can be liberals or conservatives. But the neo-liberals will likely call you a filthy capitalist, and the neo-conservatives will label you a leftist coward.

    Take the World's Smallest Political Quiz!

    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

    :)
     
    guerilla, Apr 10, 2008 IP
  2. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #2
    I scored libertarian
    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%.
     
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  3. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #3
    A lot of conservatives will. Real liberals may as well.

    Crazy hunh?
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    The site showed only about 32% of those who took it were libertarian.
     
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  5. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    32% is pretty substantial.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #6
    I also scored libertarian
    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.
     
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  7. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #7
    Well mine is

    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.

    Same as pingpong
     
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  8. jimm11

    jimm11 Well-Known Member

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    #8
    Here's what I scored:

    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.


    I'm also a big supporter of the fair tax at fairtax.org
    and boortz.com
     
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  9. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #9
    Related to the article by Lew Rockwell in the first post, here is a blog posting from the same site, based on a reader email to the editor.

    First read this article @ CNN,

    'The best job I have ever had in my life'
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/04/10/heroes.vaughn/index.html



    Then read this reader email...

    Homeschooling and Entrepreneurship
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020503.html



    Sadly, it's true. Regulation makes as many problems as it solves, removes as many opportunities as it creates.
     
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  10. ajl

    ajl Peon

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    100%/100%

    Just curious, are there any anarcho-capitalists here?
     
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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    #11
    I'm a Conservative...

    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 40%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.
     
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  12. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Well at least you are a free market advocate.

     
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  13. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    Yeah, I am, but I'm really developing a dislike for labels. That's why I thought the Nolan Chart quiz might be more interesting for some people.
     
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    ajl Peon

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    cool, I agree that labeling is usually inefficient, but when it comes down to it some of them just apply. For instance, I'd never reject the label "human" in the same way I'd never reject the label "peaceful" or "non-violent" in the same way I'd never reject the label "Anarcho-Capitalist."

    Do you think the "AC" label doesn't completely fit you, or are you just concerned about the way people will react to it?
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    #15
    what exactly is a national ID card?

    The political description that
    fits you best is...

    LIBERAL
    LIBERTARIAN

    Your PERSONAL issues Score is 90%.
    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 50%.
     
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  16. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #16
    National ID = Internal passport connected to database of all government services (which is basically all services these days).

    The issue is, the government has no right to deny service to a citizen if they do not have one of these cards, or to monitor their movement, transactions, affiliations etc.
     
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  17. ajl

    ajl Peon

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    In the US our identification cards (i.e., driver's licenses) are awarded on the state level. If you live in Florida you'll have a Florida ID card rather than a "United States" ID card.

    This is because the United States federal government used to be very limited, and government existed mostly on the state and local level, which allowed it to be very benign. Over the last 80 years, and especially the last decade, we've moved away from trust in liberty and a minimal government, and have instead moved towards nationalism, populism, and militarism, and the push towards a national (rather than local) identification card is a hallmark of this new climate.

    I'm not sure exactly what the proponents of the national ID card claim its benefits to be. I imagine it has something to do with either the terrorism problem or the unlawful immigration problem, which are both problems they help create in the first place. I don't like the idea of being forced to identify myself to anyone, certainly I don't like the idea of a militant federal government requiring this of me.

    So basically, if you're not sure what something is or why you might need it, the first thing you should do is be very wary of the people trying to push it at you and of what their intentions might be. Being forced to go to the registry and smile for a new ID card doesn't seem too intrusive. But what I wonder is, what exactly is wrong with the state IDs? It's the move towards nationalism and militarism that scares me. Only when it's too late does it become obvious that we should have stood up for our independence when we still could have.
     
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    iul Well-Known Member

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    so basicly the ID card is similar to the piece of plastic I carry around with me containing a picture of me, my name, address, place of birth. So what's the difference between having that ID card on a state level or on a federal level? Or am I getting this completely wrong?
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Both. :)

    Interesting to meet you. There are a few people on here with libertarian leanings, even if they didn't know it (as evidenced by the poll).
     
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    100% / 100% on this test, and I'm slightly right of center libertarian on the Nolan Chart/Political Compass test. I really prefer the four-quadrant political spectrum because these things are more accurately shown as relatives rather than as absolutes.

    Sounds pretty harmless on the surface, right? There's just a few problems:

    The 9th & 10th amendment specifically give these powers to the states. If the 9th and 10th amendments have no legal weight, then can we expect the 1st, 2nd, 4th..? Can any part of the constitution have legal authority if other parts are ignored by convenience and convention? Tradition becomes the new constitution, and the "rule of law" is replaced by the "rule of whim."

    The U.S. federal government would like it if all Real ID cards included RFID enabled chips. For now, they'll settle for RFID in the Real ID cards that comply with passport regulations.

    When it comes to controversial topics, I ask: "What would Machiavelli do?" And in this case, I don't want to live in a nation where today's Machiavelli has real-time access to the location of ever individual.
     
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