Obama turns pastor hate controversy into race speech

Prominent people who disagreed with nuking Japan.
http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

And I was told by someone I know & trust that Japan bombed Pearl harbor because we CUT OFF THEIR OIL. I haven't researched it myself.

What do you think would happen to any country that cut off oil to the USA?

 

I think two possible things would happen.


1. Our economy would die and as a result China would take over the dominant position in the world and start marching into countries, not to occupy, but to plant vast fields of beautiful flowers for as far as the eye can see.

2. We'd bomb the hell out of them, keep our economy intact and the world would continue to live free and prosper.

 

"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
DWIGHT EISENHOWER

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY

 

Really, that's strange? Mabye they were USA history books...every source I have read from says the Japs were on their knee's as the USA dropped the bomb so there was no need, i think this is what i was saying a few days ago...all history will be different depending on the source.

 

That's the whole point!!!!!! WHY?

That is what we want to know.

 

So you are justifying the use of the nuclear bomb?

 

Doesn't mean they were anywhere close to surrendering. I think it had to be demonstrated to them that they had absolutely no chance and that if they carried on their entire country would be destroyed beyond recognition.

 

I'd like to see you say that to the faces of the peoples families who are being born blind, and deformed to this day.

 

How about this, instead of picking out just the ones from the population that would support your argument/view that the US is evil, why not select 100, 1000, or 10,000 random Japanese. The ones that are suffering as a result of US actions would be lost in the sea of Japanese who are living a safe, comfortable life which is largely due to how we handled post-war Japan.

We didn't ask to get into that war. We tried like hell to stay out of it. In fact we probably stayed out of it for too long. If it wasn't for the Japanese bombing us Britain might of fell before we got into it, which would be of been horrible and something that the US would rightly be ashamed about to this day. We should of helped our British friends(even if like 80% of them hate us today) out earlier.

But the way it happened is the Japanese launched a sneak attack on us which was largely prompted by our denying them certain materials like oil which would aid Japan in their aggressive war. They chose to get us into the war militarily and they probably would not have chosen to accept defeat with many more US and Japanese lives being sacrificed.

I feel bad about the people who did and are still suffering the effects of the A-bombs, but the US was dragged into a war by Evil nations which included Japan.(I'm talking about the leadership, not the people)

That's what I meant before when I said war is hell. I don't mean it in a flippant way. What I mean is the US was dragged into an evil war and we had to make hard decisions. Harry Truman made a decision that he thought would end the war more quickly with Japan, who was the aggressor, and would save lives in the long run. The Japanese were probably the most proud and tough soldiers of the war. They would of fought until the entire Pacific was reddened and there was none left standing. Do you realize how many years it could of dragged on? I think showing that amount of devastating force helped to convince them that they didn't have a choice but to surrender.

So my point is, instead of picking out the few that will "prove" how evil the US is, why don't you look at the whole of the country and instead realize that there is almost no equivalent in history(none that I know of anyway, but I'm not a history expert) to how the US handled Japan after "conquering" them.

 

Japan was already defeated, just because it didn't surrendor, does not mean it was in full force, dropping the bomb was totally unnessicary and nobody gained from it. Britain wouldn't of fell to the Germans because of Russia lol, don't make me laugh that bit is basic history.

 

The point isn't were they defeated or not, the point is how long would they keep fighting before a surrender and how many lives would it cost in the meantime.

Whether or not they would of fell, they suffered more than they should of without us. Churchill pleaded with Roosevelt to get into the war but he kept resisting. It took the Japanese sneak attack to get us into it, which turned out to be a good thing.

Look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8

The G8 is comprised of the 8 most powerful and rich nations on earth. Germany and Japan are 2 of the 8. Would that have been possible at any other time in history? Would it be that way if it weren't for the US being involved in the war and charting the post war course?

 

This is false.

Roosevelt put oil sanctions on Japan before Pearl Harbor. And there are now a lot of questions about Pearl Harbor, and how much advance notice the government had.

A little bit of investigation can turn up a lot. Most of the wars we have been in, we had no reason to do so. From WWI, to WWI, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq.

Read this today. Maybe some other should as well.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/denson/denson11.html

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