hey, just want to tell you that........page rank can go down at any time but page rank UP can be at certain period. Generally when google finds that their search results are becoming irrelevant then they try to go for an update.
I agree that pr doesnt mean much but when readers have the Page Rank Bar on the tool bar im sure they have more trust in the sites with more green? Still nice to see pr go higher on our sites though
That's the biggest reason that I asked. Without any external links and just building a site with good internal linking I manage to get into the top 100 in the SERPS for my targeted search term. I stated wondering about whether Google keeps track of external link popularity and pagerank separately so I decided to build a link exchange site just to build some pagerank and play with the external links to other sites of mine. I don't know whether link popularity and pagerank should be tackled as seperate issues or not. I'm waiting for the next pagerank update so that I can try to start studying it and tracking the results.
that's great..!! external links play a big part of SERPS and remeber google checks your sites details and if all of them are under the same registerer and similar IPs...you won;t get that much weight from them...so linking yoursites to each other is somthing i don't do... as i said...i got my site to the first page of google and yahoo for a really popular keyword that gets 1200000 hits just on yahoo...just by link building and a good content that i don;t update that offten.... try not to concentrate on PR...and try to update your site with content and work on external SEO stuff...and you'll get there...you might not get a PR7 or 8 on your page but you'll get plenty of visitors that will make you good amount of money... if you found any new things and gain new stuff from your experiences...please share it with us... best of luck mate
Thanks. I've been offline since the dotcom collapse in 2002-03 and am trying to rebuild. I'm testing out my sites in free webspace and don't think that the registrar/IP thing is going to be much of an issue. I like having the availability of subdomain names like keyword1keyword2.freehostingservice.XXX to test my sites with. The biggest problem that I'm having is with an 836 page site that I put up on a freehost owned by Bravenet last year. It originally appeared in the SERPs with pages in the top 50 to top 80 for the targeted search terms. Then it fell to the 200 to 400 range without my having made any changes in the site. Google Webmaster Central keeps "losing" pages in the site. At one point they reported having 851 urls indexed and the number keeps going down-down-down and the up-up-up. At one point in December no pages were indexed and I can't seem to catch it with all pages indexed. I initially was relying on the internal linking structure of having a large site with strong internal linking. Now I'm building the link exchange directory on another free server to try and build PageRank and external links for the first site. I started this thread to try and get a handle on the PageRank update since I've been offline and out of SEO/SEM for a few years. Any input from you guys to help me catch up would be appreciated.... Thanks.
If I could enter this discussion of yours, google uses alot of spiders and crawlers daily to check millions of sites but only updates its PR a few times in several months. If you ask me, they're exploiting this pageranking system of theirs simply because they were the ones who initialized it. If you wanna increase your pageranking that badly, you should consider blogs and/or send alot of trackbacks to your website/s,blogs and articles. This way google would be able to notice you easier and then.. Anyways I agree with others that PR isn't that much of a big deal nowadays. If you know how, you can top google search results even if your site is just PR 1. SEO/SEM has reached to another level for many already knows about it. It's also the reason why google has become more strict about ranking matters like how they consider backlinks.. Google rarely consider as backlinks unless they are from high ranking sites, old and well-established sites. What I mean is if your site is about import business, they won't consider links pointing to your site which has nothing to do with import business. Another thing, last Update I heard was last December... And I hear from most that google only updates PR rankings about 3-6 months, so i guess the other's info might be correct. Good day..
I totally agree about the significance of PR. It seems to mainly be a quality score but when considered seperately from link popularity it seems to be an aid in extremely competitive situations. Negotiating your rank upwards towards the top 30 or so seems to be helped by having quality links pointing towards your site. My site is new and I want to give it as much help in competitive situations as possible. I've been working on developing optimized pages in some ad sites with good PR and have managed to place and keep pages in the top 5-10 results for my targeted search terms. What I want to do now is to achieve the same results with a site built from scratch.
I appreciate your well-thought out opinion. I agree that PageRank is not as important as it was in previous years but that as a quality score and a useful tool in competitive situations (kind of like a tie-breaker) it is still extremely useful for a little leverage when you need it. Kind of like a cheater bar in auto mechanics.
As I said before, I generally can introduce a new site with no external links and a PR0 in the top 100 results for my targeted search term. Last week I found the site at #91. This morning it had advanced to #85. I had made some changes to the home page in the hopes of attracting freshbot but the increase in position hasn't been noted in Webmaster Central. It is still using the last crawl date of 3/19/2008. I know that Google won't report an external link if the referring page has a PR less than 4. I suspect that this is because of the active link exchanges that this new site is designed to implement.
I'll have to admit to being sort of "old-school" and a stickler about this PageRank thing. Thanks for all of your input. This is what I consider to be the ultimate source of one-way links to a site that wants to build traffic and sales. Use it well..... http://www.onewaytextlink.com
Thanks but there are all kinds of people who watch G for all kinds of reasons. The reason that I started this thread was to get their input. You would have been more correct if I had asked question like "When is the world going to end?" Only God knows that....
Sure it's true that PR doesn't make a huge difference in SERP, but it's still useful to know the PR of your site. This is a good indicator from Google that your site is useful and that if you were to really spend the effort optimizing it in a productive way it will likely move to the top.
you are right dear. me too have noticed that since few weeks. all websites PR are changing some drastically. thats really affecting webmasters mind and there should be some remedy.
The quoted posts below are from other threads that I found myself involved in last week and relate to the PageRank update question. They bring up two very interesting things. The first is the Google "deep crawl" and the other is QDF. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=803280&highlight=deep+crawl http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=803208